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Old 01-24-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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We're all gonna DIEEEEEEEE!

 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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It's not caused by humans, this guy is an opportunist, it's a conspiracy to steal all our money, it's a liberal hoax, any idiot can see this, it's hysteria and every denialist on this thread knows more about climatology than a professor with 200 published articles.

This is the only conclusion to be drawn here.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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...and does he also have a solution?

All I hear is the sky is falling the sky is falling... and then no solution.

I think you all should start sending the good doctor your pay checks. After all, isn't that his solution?



Exactly! There is no legitimate solution, and plenty of chicken littles!
Yes, I would be very interested in hearing the good Doctor's solutions to the problems.
I would be very interested in hearing solutions from ANY of the "warmers".
Things that will help humankind ADAPT to the "inevitable consequences of Climate Change".
I find it rather intriguing that after all these years of doom and gloom predictions, NOTHING is being done, except for a whole bunch of "experts" jetting around the world to attend "conferences"!

"The sea levels will rise!" (but nobody knows how much, somewhere between 2 inches and twenty feet.)
OK, what should we do about it?
"Agricultural land will become desert!"
OK, should we be building irrigation projects so that the land will remain productive?
"We are running out of potable water!"
OK, then shouldn't we be building desalinization plants on the ocean shores?
"We must stop using coal and oil to power our world!"
OK, then shouldn't we be building more nuclear power plants and hydro-electric facilities (or expanding existing ones)?

Perhaps, "warmers", you would get better results if you quit with the wailing and hand wringing and started proposing REAL, practical solutions to the perceived problems!
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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If a highly credentialed climate change skeptic worked for an oil company what would you say?
John Abraham (professor) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Abraham estimated early in 2012 that since beginning his rebuttal he had put around 1,000 unpaid hours into work on climate change and the controversy. He has given numerous speeches to publicize global warming issues, but does not accept funding for climate research or ask for an honorarium for speeches: if payment is given he asks that it goes to St. Thomas or to charity.
He must be stopped!
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You are asking for something that doesn't exist.... Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science.

Science works with evidence....Most of the observed warming—at least 74 percent—is almost certainly due to human activity.
that assumption is not vested in science, it's vested in your personal opinion.

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Their findings, which are strikingly similar to results produced by other attribution methods, provide an alternative line of evidence that greenhouse gases, and in particular carbon dioxide, are by far the main culprit of recent global warming. The massive increase of atmospheric CO2 concentrations since pre-industrial times would, in fact, have caused substantially more surface warming were it not for the cooling effects of atmospheric aerosols such as black carbon, they report. Three-Quarters of Climate Change Is Man-Made - Scientific American
Most of the modern day observations are made with science and automation that has no reference in history. We cannot for example claim that satellite data applies to any time earlier then when we first started using climate satellites. We cannot base our ocean temperature reading from NOOA's modern buoys prior to when we started to use them.

The most we can say is that since the late 1990s we have been monitoring the oceans with these buoys and here is our accumulated data. Nowhere does this state that human produced CO2 is the cause of anything.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's not caused by humans, this guy is an opportunist, it's a conspiracy to steal all our money, it's a liberal hoax, any idiot can see this, it's hysteria and every denialist on this thread knows more about climatology than a professor with 200 published articles.

This is the only conclusion to be drawn here.
Yes don't read articles by scientists that devoted their lives to science, City Data or your next door neighbor are the best source of information use them for medical advice also solid information
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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that assumption is not vested in science, it's vested in your personal opinion.
Wrong again, but that's no surprise... https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ientific-proof


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Most of the modern day observations are made with science and automation that has no reference in history. We cannot for example claim that satellite data applies to any time earlier then when we first started using climate satellites. We cannot base our ocean temperature reading from NOOA's modern buoys prior to when we started to use them.

The most we can say is that since the late 1990s we have been monitoring the oceans with these buoys and here is our accumulated data. Nowhere does this state that human produced CO2 is the cause of anything.
Actually ocean temperature have been measured since the late 1800s, but since we are talking about modern increases in ocean temperatures and how they effect the earth it is the recent increase in ocean warming that is of concern....

From 1872 to 1876, the HMS Challenger sailed the world's oceans along a 69,000-nautical-mile track, crossing the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific oceans. During the voyage, scientists among the 200-person crew took 300 ocean-temperature profiles, or measurements at several depths in each spot, with pressure-protected thermometers. Oceans Started Warming 135 Years Ago | Global Warming & Sea-Level Rise
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yes don't read articles by scientists that devoted their lives to science, City Data or your next door neighbor are the best source of information use them for medical advice also solid information
Spatula was being sarcastic....
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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Yes, I would be very interested in hearing the good Doctor's solutions to the problems.

I would be very interested in hearing solutions from ANY of the "warmers".
You can't win with denial and can't bring yourself to admit that you're wrong, so now suddenly you start demanding that 'warmers' come up with solutions.

Not voting in idiot deniers like Inhofe or giving a house majority to an aggressively anti-science political party would help, but of course there isn't much we can do about that.

Here are some things that everyone can do:

Top 10 ways you can stop climate change | | What you can do | David Suzuki Foundation
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I get it....Anyone you disagree with, regardless of their credentials is a leftwing whack job in your own mind. I also feel certain that you think your uneducated opinion is more accurate than his....

Abraham is a professor of thermal and fluid sciences at the University of St. Thomas School of Engineering, Minnesota. His area of research includes thermodynamics, heat transfer, fluid flow, numerical simulation, and energy. After gaining his doctorate at the University of Minnesota in 2002, he joined St. Thomas as an adjunct instructor, later becoming a full-time member of the faculty. He has published over 200 papers in journals and conferences. John Abraham (professor) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tell me about your credentials....


But he's not a climate scientist....
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