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Old 01-25-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: North America
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Bribery at any level is NOT a reward.

Maybe that should be taught to our kids......some adults didn't learn it for sure.

But money will buy anything.
Yeah, I hear 'ya. I gotta go to work tomorrow but I'm not accepting a salary because I don't take bribes.

I work for free due to my "innate drive for high achievement".
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Paying Kids for Good Grades - WSJ

-Paying kids to get good grades is especially helpful for poor communities where terrible grades and lack of money go hand in hand

-Instead of wasteful spending that gets funneled to teacher's unions the middle-man is cut out and the cash goes directly to the children

-With increasing good grade income there would be less dependency on school breakfast and school lunch programs

-Large inner-city families could benefit greatly if several children in the household are making good money bringing in good grades since a dependency on WIC and other programs would be decreased
The taxpayers make an amazing sacrifice and offer an amazing opportunity with taxpayer funded education available to all, at no cost to the parents and students. That opportunity gives those willing to take it the chance to make something of themselves.

Paying students? If the parents want to, that's fine I suppose, if that's the only way they can motivate their kids. Poor parenting, but their call. Beyond that? Not just NO, but HELL NO. The kids should appreciate the opportunity the taxpayer has offered them, not need to be bribed to take advantage of it.
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:40 AM
 
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The taxpayers make an amazing sacrifice and offer an amazing opportunity with taxpayer funded education available to all, at no cost to the parents and students. That opportunity gives those willing to take it the chance to make something of themselves.

Paying students? If the parents want to, that's fine I suppose, if that's the only way they can motivate their kids. Poor parenting, but their call. Beyond that? Not just NO, but HELL NO. The kids should appreciate the opportunity the taxpayer has offered them, not need to be bribed to take advantage of it.
And, uh, how has that worked out so far?
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Frank, how about you keep your money and as you get older your life is made into a daily hellscape due to the fact that the younger adults who you depend on are very poorly educated?

Sound like a plan? You get to save a few bucks now to live in a world of Idiocracy later!
We have massive degrees of Idiocracy right now. The very thread is proof of that. But it has nothing to do with not bribing kids to take advantage of the multitude of ones offered to them. It has to do with pizz poor parenting and, in certain areas, a warped culture.
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:43 AM
 
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And, uh, how has that worked out so far?
You are free to set up some sort of "payment" program at any school of your choice with your own money.

Go for it.
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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And, uh, how has that worked out so far?
Just fine in the vast majority of the country. The vast majority of children get up every morning, go to school and study. Many actually work hard enough to get decent grades and go on to college, which they or their parents actually, you know, pay for.

I'd suggest a different approach. The opportunity of taxpayer funded education is a privilege, one that should be appreciated. But like most things handed out with no effort involved, it's not appreciated. We should be charging tuition, at a minimal level, for schools. Not a lot, say $10 a month per student. The parent that actually has to pay for their kid to go to school might be a bit motivated to see that their kid shows up and actually does something.
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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the problem is that school is NOT free now, but too many people think that because it is GOVERNMENT funded, it actually IS free.
They forget that THEIR TAXES are paying for it!
When people get it through their heads that TANSTAAFL is an immutable law of the universe, maybe they will begin to be aware of the true cost of all the FREE stuff they think they are getting.
That is, assuming that "the people" EVER get it through their heads that There Ain't No Such Thing As A FREE Lunch.
Even people who rent their living space don't get a FREE education. The landlord uses THEIR RENT to pay the property taxes on the building, which pays, in part, for schools.
Again, wake up, people! Education is NOT FREE!
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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What sort of logic is at work to claim if we dont bribe economicaly disadvantaged state raised children to perform better we will descend into an idiocracy? I would posit that the belief in that very theory proves we might already be at its door step.

Anyway, since private and home schooled children on average outperform those that attend government schools, your theory is proved null and void.
The best thing that could happen is for government to be out of the education business all together.

Capitalism is about providing an incentive and rewarding hard work, isn't it?

I paid my kids $100 whenever they brought home straight As both in grade school and high school. They worked hard to get straight As, which was most of the time. They both graduated with honors and went on to a very good university, one in engineering and the other in pre-med. Best part: I never had to ask or nag them about doing their homework. They handled that themselves. Best investment I ever made!

The key point here is providing an incentive and reward to help those who are willing to better themselves and become productive members of our society. Better than providing costly punishment (incarceration) and entitlements (welfare), wouldn't you agree?
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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You are free to set up some sort of "payment" program at any school of your choice with your own money.

Go for it.
But unless you don't pay taxes, you are already paying into a "payment" program right now. The only difference is that a large part of it benefits teacher's unions and not the actual point of schools...the kids.

Why would you be so hostile towards an idea that doesn't cost you any more money?
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:05 AM
 
Location: North America
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Capitalism is about providing an incentive and rewarding hard work, isn't it?

I paid my kids $100 whenever they brought home straight As both in grade school and high school. They worked hard to get straight As, which was most of the time. They both graduated with honors and went on to a very good university, one in engineering and the other in pre-med. Best part: I never had to ask or nag them about doing their homework. They handled that themselves. Best investment I ever made!

The key point here is providing an incentive and reward to help those who are willing to better themselves and become productive members of our society. Better than providing costly punishment (incarceration) and entitlements (welfare), wouldn't you agree?
Finally!! Someone who gets it.
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