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Old 01-25-2015, 06:30 PM
 
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Would any of that occur if they were not under Israeli occupation?

Would any of that occur if they were not fighting back against Israeli's bombing small children and hospitals and schools and every part of Palestinian life? Why is it ok when Israel bombs children with the latest technology? Why do you think that is ok 'victimofgm'?

victimofgm, why do you support the indiscriminate bombing of children after they were ripped from their homes? Why do you support Israel making children homeless? what is wrong with you?
Why do you support indiscriminate bombings by Palestinians compared to strategic strikes by Israel to where Palestinians are launching rockets or building bombs? Why do you support Palestinians who strap bombs to kids with mental problems to blow them up? I've been to Israel twice. If the Palestinian people were willing to live peacefully within Israel as other Muslims are currently doing then they'd all be better off.
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Old 01-25-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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Because they captured the land when they were attacked. now they still are being attacked and get whined at when they respond.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:06 PM
 
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I don't get it, if Israeli wants peace, as they claim, why do they continue to build settlements which the international community (except the USA government under occupation of AIPAC) condemn?

It doesn't make sense, if a people want peace why do they continue to take land from those they occupy?
If it were that easy it would have been done.

Unfortunately neighbors of Israel want to destroy Israel, obliterate it from the face of the earth. there are no concessions Israel could make that would bring peace. Especially when young palestinian children are taught hatred.

The hatred for Israel has flourished for centuries with no sign of abating. When stone age people never progress, all hope is lost.

Perhaps if the Palestinians rid themselves of Iranian influence and Hammas there could be progress, otherwise it matters not what concession Israel makes. Nothing will satisfy but the total destruction of Israel

Never mentioned is the historic distaste other countries have for the Palestinians. Evidence is the abuse by Hammas to forward its political agenda on the graves of Palestinian innocents. There will never be peace as long as the earth supports life.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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If it were that easy it would have been done.

Unfortunately neighbors of Israel want to destroy Israel, obliterate it from the face of the earth. there are no concessions Israel could make that would bring peace. Especially when young palestinian children are taught hatred.

The hatred for Israel has flourished for centuries with no sign of abating. When stone age people never progress, all hope is lost.

Perhaps if the Palestinians rid themselves of Iranian influence and Hammas there could be progress, otherwise it matters not what concession Israel makes. Nothing will satisfy but the total destruction of Israel

Never mentioned is the historic distaste other countries have for the Palestinians. Evidence is the abuse by Hammas to forward its political agenda on the graves of Palestinian innocents. There will never be peace as long as the earth supports life.
I wasn't aware Israel existed as a state during the Ottoman era.
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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When you wage war against Israel, in order to slaughter its people, and kick them into the sea.....don't get too mad when you lose and lose LAND in the process.

One of the spoils-of-war is taking LAND and keeping it.

I guess the losers can
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:17 PM
 
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Would any of that occur if they were not under Israeli occupation?
Yes, because it did in fact occur before Israeli occupation. That's why it was occupied in the first place. Because the area was being used to launch attacks on Israel so the Israelis needed a defense buffer zone.
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Would any of that occur if they were not fighting back against Israeli's bombing small children and hospitals and schools and every part of Palestinian life? Why is it ok when Israel bombs children with the latest technology? Why do you think that is ok 'victimofgm'?
Israel bombs hospitals and schools because the Arabs use hospitals and schools as rocket sites. If the Arabs didn't put rockets in those sites, then Israel wouldn't bomb them. Israel gives warnings before they attack a site so civilians can leave. The Arabs order those civilians not to leave so that they can use the civilian casualties as propaganda.
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victimofgm, why do you support the indiscriminate bombing of children after they were ripped from their homes? Why do you support Israel making children homeless? what is wrong with you?
What part of "The Arabs are launching rockets into Israel from sites in those areas" is so difficult for your mind to comprehend?
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Old 01-25-2015, 08:01 PM
 
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When you wage war against Israel, in order to slaughter its people, and kick them into the sea.....don't get too mad when you lose and lose LAND in the process.

One of the spoils-of-war is taking LAND and keeping it.

I guess the losers can
Annexation of land is generally regarded as illegal by international law. The occupation of Manchuria by Imperial Japan for example was regarded as illegal even back in the 1930s which was a period of imperialism. Strange enough, I think Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories is more similar to Japan's occupation of Manchuria than it is to apartheid. Both countries destroyed villages and moved potentially hostile civilians into specific quarters, both also had problems with "terrorists" (Japan blamed Communism for terrorism while Israel blames Islam for terrorism), both segregated roads, both built walls protecting their settlers from hostile elements, both built industries and utilized the indigenous labor, both also built massive settlements where their citizens were given the best land and privileges, and most importantly both also had to deal with extremely hostile surrounding countries (Japan had to deal with Soviet and Chinese funded insurgents while Israel deals with Iranian and Arab funded militants).
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:01 PM
 
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I don't get it, if Israeli wants peace, as they claim, why do they continue to build settlements which the international community (except the USA government under occupation of AIPAC) condemn?

It doesn't make sense, if a people want peace why do they continue to take land from those they occupy?
Well lets go back before 1948 (or before the 1949 Armistice). Do you think that there were no Jewish towns in these areas when it was under the control of the British or the Ottomans? Settlers is simply a new buzzword against Jews to de-legitimize that they ever lived in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. When people think of the word Settlers the first thing that comes to mind are Americans who settled on Indian lands which they were never before. Jews, for whatever part, are resettling in areas where they once were.

Israel Matzav: Life Magazine pics of Arab army removing Jews in 1948 from Jerusalem
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Old 01-26-2015, 12:02 AM
 
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Annexation of land is generally regarded as illegal by international law.
Not in the case of defensive wars.

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Strange enough, I think Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories is more similar to Japan's occupation of Manchuria than it is to apartheid.
If the arabs hadn't been attacking Israel for years from those areas, then you might have a point, except they were, and you don't.
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Old 01-26-2015, 04:33 AM
 
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I don't get it, if Israeli wants peace, as they claim, why do they continue to build settlements which the international community (except the USA government under occupation of AIPAC) condemn?

It doesn't make sense, if a people want peace why do they continue to take land from those they occupy?
so your point is???


are you against Israel building PEOPLES settlements in their own country

is your point , that you are an anti-Semite and against Israel??


there is no such thing as a ''Palestine"" nation..... Palestine is a REGION, ...those so-call Palestinians, their ancestral land is what is now called Jordan

why don't the ''Palestinian '' (ie Jordanian) settlers go back to Jordan were they came from???

why are the Palestine occupiers being allowed to do this ??...do you understand the politics of this:
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“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”
– Yasser Arafat, former PLO leader and Nobel Peace Price recipient, September 13, 1993.

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Arafat himself asserted the same principle on many occasions. In his authorized biography he says, “The Palestinian people have no national identity. I, Yasir Arafat, man of destiny, will give them that identity through conflict with Israel.”.

Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth – that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.

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March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

""The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism."""


Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about ""Palestine"".

The Jordanian prime minister declared in August 1959: "We here in Jordan, led by our great king [Husayn] are the government of Palestine, the army of Palestine, and we are the refugees."

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Prime Minister Zayd ar-Rifa'i told an interviewer in 1975:

Jordan is Palestine. They have never been ruled as two separate states except during the British Mandate. Before 1918 the two banks of the Jordan River were a single state. When they returned to being a single state after 1948, it was a matter of building on the earlier unity. Their families are one, as are their welfare, affiliation, and culture.

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King al-Husayn asserted again in 1981 that "Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."

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Israel is Judea

Palestine is Jordan

send the occupiers back to Jordan....get them off of the land of Judea

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“Palestine” (as a country) has never existed

The first time the name was used was in the latter part of the first century by the Romans who had slaughtered the Jewish population of Jerusalem, scattered the population of Israel, destroyed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as “Palestine.” The name was derived from the Philistines, a people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier – a people who were, by that time, already extinct, for all intents and purposes. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They named the land after a people who no longer existed – an ancient enemy of Israel. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that never stuck.

“Palestine” has never existed – before or since – as an actual state. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland – mainly because the Arabs were not particularly interested in it. It was a desert wasteland. But the Jewish population had never forsaken it because of the biblical significance it held for them.


There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Arab Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. “Palestinians,” as we think of them today, are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (who live in a country formerly considered part of “Palestine” and actually created as an Arab Palestinian state), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Saudis, etc


Prior to 1948, if you used the term “Palestinians,” you were referring to the Jews who lived in the region. Arabs didn’t like to be called Palestinians because of its association with Jews


It was not until after the 1967 Six-Day War, when Israel captured Judea and Samaria, which we often call “the West Bank,” that Arabs, under the leadership of Yasser Arafat, began reinventing themselves as an oppressed minority of displaced refugees who called themselves “Palestinians.” It was an ingenious propaganda coup by the Soviet-trained Arafat who began the asymmetrical warfare that continues to this day by the “Palestinians” who claim they are merely fighting to reclaim their ancient land.


back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said: “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
Palestine is a REGION( a state in the old OTTOMAN empire)...the so called Palestinians are Syrians and jordainians....it is a former REGION ...in what is today JORDAN

what was Palestine( a STATE in the Ottoman empire) is now Jordan....Jordan (first called Trans-Jordan) is the Arab-"Palestinian" State,...not Israel
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