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Old 01-27-2015, 08:36 AM
 
Location: DC
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Actually, the bottom line is the Second.
Which the Supreme Court says applies to keeping a gun inside your house. Outside your house you have no automatic right to carry a gun.
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:48 AM
 
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Which the Supreme Court says applies to keeping a gun inside your house. Outside your house you have no automatic right to carry a gun.
The SCOTUS interprets the laws and have been known to reverse its own decisions all of the time.

The Second is quite clear.
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Maine
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here we go again. If you don't think I know any gun owners, more power to you. I have nothing to prove, nor do i have anything to gain.

I know ONE gun owner who believes he has the right to own a gun but never goes out practice. I know him.

I believe gun right is a privilege. ANY responsible gun owners I know TREAT their gun rights as a privilege.

That is why they are responsible.

If you dispute that, I don't know what to say to you.

Don't worry about me, I don't have any power of changing the law.

By the way, I've never said I am against gun right, I am ONLY saying responsible gun owners use common senses. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm sorry but you should exercise some of that "common sense" you've been talking about and refrain from using your 1st amendment "privileges"

almost nothing you have said makes sense factually or logically.

Please don't get me wrong, i,m not personally attacking you, or dislike you, you sound like a great person, but maybe online debates are not for you.




bill
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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The NRA is wrong: Owning a gun is far more likely to harm you than protect you.
Good guy with a gun myth: Guns increase the risk of homicide, accidents, suicide.

It seems so obvious: more guns, more bullets flying, more death.
It seems to me the reluctance of some Americans to accept the facts on guns-and-death data is the same kind of intellectual vapor lock that makes them buy lottery tickets.
I declare a holy war started
Tell me about how when a criminal breaks into your home. What are you going to do? Call timeout? Ask him to wait for the police to arrive? And don't give me the "that'll never happen to me" line.

Also, tell me about how making something illegal solves a problem. By that logic, we should make Meth, heroin, crack, and an assortment of other items illegal. Oh wait...
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I'm sorry but you should exercise some of that "common sense" you've been talking about and refrain from using your 1st amendment "privileges"

almost nothing you have said makes sense factually or logically.

Please don't get me wrong, i,m not personally attacking you, or dislike you, you sound like a great person, but maybe online debates are not for you.




bill
I admit .Online debate about gun right is not for me.
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I think you work a global solution to eliminate manufacturing of guns except under controlled conditions. We do it with nuclear materials; we can do it with guns. Strict global control. Licensing and control of use, as i outlined earlier. As a person who grew up with guns and hunted regularly, it is sad to see this development, but every day we lose lives to people who are, for whatever reason, unable to control their firearms. Sadly, when that happens, a bigger portion of society needs to intervene and take control of the situation.

And quite honestly, if we all are real in our introspection, what use does a gun really have in modern society? Sure, occasionally a robbery is thwarted, but more often there is a senseless death either directly or indirectly related to the gun...and the person supposedly responsible for it.
Yea we could model this global solution of your's like we have with the war on drugs, we just demanded that other countries stop growing and manufacturing opium, pot, cocaine, meth. and boom the war on drugs was over just like that.......Oh wait

Hell we can't even get countries friendly to us to stop producing drugs that end up on our streets.

I can see Putin ROFLMAO as Odumbo draws another line in the sand.

Yea it works so well with nuclear materials too, just ask the N.Koreans, or the Iranians.


Live in the real world much?



bill
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:16 AM
 
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I wish these anti-gun nuts would take a look at how home burglary and other crimes skyrocketed after England banned guns. But there I go again, introducing logic into the argument. Silly me.
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Which the Supreme Court says applies to keeping a gun inside your house. Outside your house you have no automatic right to carry a gun.
SCOTUS has never taken a case re "bear" arms.

It is a pretty big reach to assume SCOTUS interprets "keep" as owning but "bear" as only inside your home. That stance just don't make any logical sense.
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:29 AM
 
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hold on
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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And if they are off by three orders of magnitude? The entire basis of asking someone who owns a gun if he deterred a crime is laughable.



Crime is not lower where gun laws are lax. Gun deaths are substantially higher in states with high gun ownership.



so that means chicago, and washington dc have the lowest gun murder rate in the USA, right?
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