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View Poll Results: Are American men becoming feminized?
Yes, men are. 181 44.80%
No, They are not. 70 17.33%
American women are becoming more masculine 53 13.12%
Men and women are just closer to equality 101 25.00%
This is a society trend or fad that will fade 35 8.66%
Other 17 4.21%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 404. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-11-2008, 12:45 PM
 
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I totally agree with the original question. I married my husband because he is a tough guy. Yes, it's nice for a guy to be sensitive at times, but I don't want a wuss. I want a man who will physically defend me if needed. I wanted to marry a man who, if al queada invaded, he'd be the first to protect our home, not that I like the war. He's that man. He'd never look for a fight, but if it found him, I feel sorry for that person. My sister married a man she could push around. She wanted to be in charge all the time.She later figured out he was gay, no offense to other gays, but that's how it turned out.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:45 PM
 
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Again nothing wrong with traditional roles if a relationship is working and ok with that. I'ts just threatening when other people judge outside behaviors of other people. I've worked in IT/computers for quite some time and if I had a nickel for everytime I've been demeaned and ignored or bypassed in favor of a male coworker I could retire...because I don't get taken seriously. Everything I have achieved I've really had to fight for...and I don't regret doing so, I'm likely I better person because of it.
As a woman in IT, been there, done that.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Male bashing.

Are all women airheaded gold diggers, then? Hey, let's mate these two.....

But no one is defining that as the goal of femininity.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Rosebe said

"Success is defined in male terms. (money, status). Why isn't success defined as raising really good children? (For example.)"

Because there is no MONEY in raising sane healthy childern. Or - no measurable or accountable return on the stockholders investment.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:51 PM
 
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I totally agree with the original question. I married my husband because he is a tough guy. Yes, it's nice for a guy to be sensitive at times, but I don't want a wuss. I want a man who will physically defend me if needed. I wanted to marry a man who, if al queada invaded, he'd be the first to protect our home, not that I like the war. He's that man. He'd never look for a fight, but if it found him, I feel sorry for that person. My sister married a man she could push around. She wanted to be in charge all the time.She later figured out he was gay, no offense to other gays, but that's how it turned out.
Why is it assumed that if a man is well-coiffed, that he cannot physically protect his family.

My husband, when wearing his best suit that we bought in Paris, the one that was consider extremely high-fashion, punched some guy out at the bus stop, with one punch. The guy was unable to get up. I'm certainly not proud of that moment. In fact, it makes me cringe. The point is, don't assume well groomed means unmasculine.

What ever happened to James Bond worship. He was all things!
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I totally agree with the original question. I married my husband because he is a tough guy. Yes, it's nice for a guy to be sensitive at times, but I don't want a wuss. I want a man who will physically defend me if needed. I wanted to marry a man who, if al queada invaded, he'd be the first to protect our home, not that I like the war. He's that man. He'd never look for a fight, but if it found him, I feel sorry for that person. My sister married a man she could push around. She wanted to be in charge all the time.She later figured out he was gay, no offense to other gays, but that's how it turned out.
Thanks Annibelle - thanks for recognizing there ARE differences between men and women - and that men generally like to be in the protector role (as you mentioned) -

I love putting my wife on a pedestal - treating her like the princess she is. Opening doors for her (I've been yelled at for doing this by some women). I like pulling out her chair at the dinner table and making sure she goes in the door first. I like walking on the curbside on a sidewalk -

Thanks again
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:55 PM
 
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Thanks Annibelle - thanks for recognizing there ARE differences between men and women - and that men generally like to be in the protector role (as you mentioned) -

I love putting my wife on a pedestal - treating her like the princess she is. Opening doors for her (I've been yelled at for doing this by some women). I like pulling out her chair at the dinner table and making sure she goes in the door first. I like walking on the curbside on a sidewalk -

Thanks again
These are women from different eras in history. Initially, when we first wed, I wanted to be an equal in everything until we changed chores. Then I realized, no I don't want to mow the lawn, no I don't like hefting out the trash. Could I do it, yes, but if I don't have to, why? I enjoy traditional roles. Some women don't. Oh well.
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:58 PM
 
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Why is it assumed that if a man is well-coiffed, that he cannot physically protect his family.

My husband, when wearing his best suit that we bought in Paris, the one that was consider extremely high-fashion, punched some guy out at the bus stop, with one punch. The guy was unable to get up. I'm certainly not proud of that moment. In fact, it makes me cringe. The point is, don't assume well groomed means unmasculine.

What ever happened to James Bond worship. He was all things!
Never assumed anything, you just described my handsome brother. He is like that and very masculine. But my sister, well, she wasn't looking for a masculine guy, she wanted to be the boss of everything. Why? What's wrong with wanting the man to do things his way sometimes? I really do not prefer feminine men in any way, shape or form. But if that's for you, go for it.
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:51 PM
 
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Never assumed anything, you just described my handsome brother. He is like that and very masculine. But my sister, well, she wasn't looking for a masculine guy, she wanted to be the boss of everything. Why? What's wrong with wanting the man to do things his way sometimes? I really do not prefer feminine men in any way, shape or form. But if that's for you, go for it.

My husband is more of a beast than metrosexual. He gave up his good ways and started dressing too manly for my taste. But he's his own person and can dress anyway he likes. Besides how metrosexual can you look with a size 12 foot!
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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I was thinking about this recently. And it led me to some questions. Why is it that anyone who has a problem with homosexuality or homosexual behavior is jumped for being a bigot and told to quit being a homophobe because it is completely natural to be homosexual and no one should be viewed as different because of it. Then it is often the same people who despise masculinity, especially any white man with an alpha male personality. Alpha males are far more prevelant and obvious in the animal kingdom, yet this is not good enough for those who despise a man who behaves in that manner.

So which is it? Do we support people acting the way nature programmed them to? Or do we admonish them and force them change? If so, who gets to decide which natural behaviors are acceptable and which need to be changed?
Why should we try to change anyone's natural behavior? If you're naturally a masculine, alpha male, it sholdn't be changed. If you're a metrosexual male, you're acting according to your own nature. And I know plenty of alpha male personalities who are gay. Not all gay men are sissies who despise masculinity. Actually, masculinity is prevalent in gay culture and I don't know any gay men who despise masculine straight men. You just don't notice masculine gay men because you think they're straight.
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