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Old 01-28-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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You have no right to steal from another, no matter what. This isn't a prison. You ask the student to remove themselves from the classroom.
You take something from me without my permission, I'm taking it back.


You would use a physical action that words would easily take care of the problem without confrontation, because you are on some authoritarian powertrip?


School officials have the right to confiscate prohibited items. Parents can pick them up after school. However, I would have asked for the phone. If the student did not give the phone to me, I would have written him up, and let the office deal with insubordination, and the student would suffer the consequences.


Saying that, the teen is a punk for assaulting a 62 year old man.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:07 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I have seen middle-aged adults in board meetings that cannot handle the distraction of cell phones. Even when asked to turn them off and put them away they still end up fondling them like sex toys I honestly don't know how teachers are expected to teach anymore.

In my line of business, I get asked to talk about my industry and the problems that are a big concern, to small groups of people. Only twice have I stopped my presentation and told someone to leave the room.
There wasn't even any backtalk.

There is a way to take control and the other way to be a bully about it.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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School officials have the right to confiscate prohibited items. Parents can pick them up after school. However, I would have asked for the phone. If the student did not give the phone to me, I would have written him up, and let the office deal with insubordination, and the student would suffer the consequences.


Saying that, the teen is a punk for assaulting a 62 year old man.

Assault?
It looked to me, as if the guy was taking his property back. I didn't see the old man say, here take it.
Actions always have consequences. Some don't think what all the consequences maybe. Looks like this old man was prepared to hang on to that phone for dear life. No matter what.

My dad at 62 would have been quite capable of kicking the crap out of that kid.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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In my line of business, I get asked to talk about my industry and the problems that are a big concern, to small groups of people. Only twice have I stopped my presentation and told someone to leave the room.
There wasn't even any backtalk.

There is a way to take control and the other way to be a bully about it.
I agree, there are ways to diffuse a situation. But that young man needs to respect authority as well and learn to stand up for his perceived rights appropriately. Manhandling someone is not the answer. If he does the same thing when he is an adult he will be charged with assault.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:00 PM
 
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As an ADULT if you grab a 62-year-old man and fling him to the ground,

I didn't see anyone get flug around.

But you know what would have saved all that flinging around and gross violence? "Please leave the classroom."

4 words.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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I agree, there are ways to diffuse a situation. But that young man needs to respect authority as well and learn to stand up for his perceived rights appropriately. Manhandling someone is not the answer. If he does the same thing when he is an adult he will be charged with assault.

Stealing from another has always been wrong in the natural laws of man, called Common Law.
In a free world, stealing from another, will always be violent if caught. The Natural Common Law of all mankind knows this.
In an authoritarian world, you will never be free to question authority, or given a choice.

Hell, I questioned my parents growing up and learned they were wrong more than once.



The lady who is an adult, manhandles and kicks the crap out of the guy stealing her purse, never gets charged with assault.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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Stealing from another has always been wrong in the natural laws of man, called Common Law.
In a free world, stealing from another, will always be violent if caught. The Natural Common Law of all mankind knows this.
In an authoritarian world, you will never be free to question authority, or given a choice.

Hell, I questioned my parents growing up and learned they were wrong more than once.



The lady who is an adult, manhandles and kicks the crap out of the guy stealing her purse, never gets charged with assault.

A teacher taking something away from a student that will be given back at the end of class is not stealing.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:28 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A teacher taking something away from a student that will be given back at the end of class is not stealing.

I don't believe permission was given for the teacher to have it. Or it would not have ended that way.
The teacher walked up and grabbed the pebble from his hand. Quickly.

From the looks of it, it wasn't even asked for, it was snagged off his desk as he walked up.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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I don't believe permission was given for the teacher to have it. Or it would not have ended that way.
The teacher walked up and grabbed the pebble from his hand. Quickly.
I don't believe in the classic cliched image of the teacher's desk filled with kids' slingshots and paper airplanes that the teacher asked for permission in those cases either.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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I don't believe in the classic cliched image of the teacher's desk filled with kids' slingshots and paper airplanes that the teacher asked for permission in those cases either.

That was elementary school, too. Not HS.
We were treated as adults when I went to HS, not kids.
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