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Uhmmm...thats not discrimination based on religion, thats discrimination based upon the people in question being horrible human beings.
Fortunately "being a jerk" isn't a protected class.
Possibly, but if the baker said "we don't do business with people from your church" as the poster I replied to said, then it could be discrimination based on religion. If they weren't being jerks when they ordered a birthday cake then throwing them out for being jerks wouldn't apply.
Cute~. We're you thinking about the old Oscar Meyer commercial? It's not a big deal until it happens to you. How would you explain it to your kids? Our country has already gone through a very ugly history where ppl of color were denied those services at public places. With a name like "Martinez", you should appreciate that.
How would I explain it to my kids?
Let's say you're black and you go into a bakery with your kids. You hear them dropping N-bombs and making jokes about not making a watermelon flavored cake and you know your kids are hearing it. What do you tell them?
Should we make it illegal for people to say racist or hateful things so you can avoid having to tell your kids that there are awful people out there?
If you give me the two choices of having people who hate me being forced to serve me and worry about what they may do to my food or allowing people to say they don't want to serve me, I'll take the second option every day. Not only do I not want them messing with me, I also don't want racists, homophobes or whatever to profit off me either.
If they hate me, it's better that they are open about it than pretending otherwise. I'm a fan of honesty.
You could substitute any group in your statement and come to the same conclusion if you wanted. The point is to eradicate discrimination in places that serve the public. If you want to discriminate then do it in the privacy of your own home.
that was what the romans thought also. In the end Christian stood their ground on their beliefs.It was a private business now publically owned.
Let's say you're black and you go into a bakery with your kids. You hear them dropping N-bombs and making jokes about not making a watermelon flavored cake and you know your kids are hearing it. What do you tell them?
Should we make it illegal for people to say racist or hateful things so you can avoid having to tell your kids that there are awful people out there?
If you give me the two choices of having people who hate me being forced to serve me and worry about what they may do to my food or allowing people to say they don't want to serve me, I'll take the second option every day. Not only do I not want them messing with me, I also don't want racists, homophobes or whatever to profit off me either.
If they hate me, it's better that they are open about it than pretending otherwise. I'm a fan of honesty.
Yes, I see your point too. It's one thing for an adult to experience it. I guess that I'd just want to shield my children from any experiences like that because I don't want them growing up that way. I had some raunchy experiences from being a minority Mexican-American in an Anglo dominated environment back in the early 70s. I wondered if I would have turned out differently if I had grown up in a majority Mexican-American environment? There are many kids in this country who are bullied by others who are their own age. I'd just hate to see a young child being bullied by an adult business owner.
IMHO, businesses that aren't a "necessity" like a doctor, ambulance service, pharmacist, grocery store, etc shouldn't be forced to do business with anyone.
If it's a restaurant that doesn't want to serve black people, white people, gay people, short people, tall people, kids, fat kids, skinny kids, kids who climb on rocks, tough kids, sissy kids, even kids with chickenpox, it should be their decision. The government should not be forcing association.
If I owned a business, I wouldn't be turning away customers. Gay customers? No problem. Black customers? No problem. Asian customers? No problem. Bisexual transgender little person with missing limb and cleft lip? No problem.
You have to make no exceptions or all exceptions when it comes to religious liberties.
Ever notice how these gay activists never request their gay cakes at Jewish or Muslim bakeries? Are they being Christianphobic when they deliberately target small business Christian businesses?
Jewish people are usually not obsessed with the concept of gay marriage as evangelical Christians are. They can also separate their beliefs from what other people follow. And just how many Muslim bakeries have you come across in your life?
There's a new bakery accused of this every week. Why does it matter?
Seriously, I see both sides here. There is no difference between a cake for gay people and a cake for straight people, and since cake has no value aside form being a desert, it's not really making a statement or even necessary to refuse to bake a cake for gay people. The bakery is only turning away customers for arbitrary reasons.
As the same time, unless this is literally the only bakery with a 10 mile radius, why do the gay people care? Go to a bakery with a smarter owner? Why make a fuss? It's not like by refusing to bake a cake, your whole way of life is destroyed (any more than making the cake would destroy the bakers way of life; it's stupid cake). Let them be stupid in their silly beliefs and go to a bakery where the owners isn't an idiot.
We don't need to sue people overtime we're slightly offended.
I think this country is sue crazy and it has gotten worse over the last couple of decades. In terms of why not use another bakery? I can tell you what happened to me but can't attest to happened in Oregon. @ 1987 my now ex-husband and I were going to get married in honeymoon town - the Poconos in PA. I went to many (I don't remember how many) bakeries probably within 10-15 (or more) miles of where I was getting married. I couldn't find a darn tootin' bakery that made a decent cake. So, I got creative and went to my last resort - the Pocono Cheesecake Factory and had them use about five cheesecakes with bridges and a fountain in the colors of the wedding. It worked and it was different. For a wedding, the right cake is a big deal for many rather and the women were offended.
All we know for certain (I've added a link to the Huff's article) is the owners of the bakery turned down making a cake for religious reasons and the law doesn't support that. The owners of the business closed their doors but they still have an online business. I've stood up for my own rights and ended up at odds (but never was sued) for what I believed. But doing this potentially comes with risks.
That is what happens when a business breaks the law, they get slapped with a fine.
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