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Old 02-05-2015, 12:28 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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While I agree she has no business having children, the government does not need to step in with eugenics.


Mother-of-six with learning difficulties faces sterilisation by force | Daily Mail Online



looks like the UK is starting to act like another political group from 1920-1945.
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Old 02-05-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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Actually if someone breeds and is on welfare we have the right to decide. We don't need more illiterates breeding welfare parasites.
We have the right to withhold welfare, not to bust into her home and perform a medical operation on her.
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Old 02-05-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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Where does the definition of "deadweight" start and end? You don't see how this would become very problematic "master race"ish...?
While I do not agree with doing this at all, the part about determining who is eligible for it doesn't seem to be a problem to me. If you are on public support and you have a child which will require additional public support, then you become eligible for the procedure. Doesn't seem to lend itself to any sort of master race slippery slope to me. It's purely about irresponsible behavior, not about what color your skin is.

One could argue that bearing a child you have no means of supporting could fall under the category of child abuse or neglect similar to how some states charge women who give birth to crack babies with child abuse.
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Old 02-05-2015, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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We have the right to withhold welfare, not to bust into her home and perform a medical operation on her.
I don't think they were planning on preforming the operation in her home. JK

Its not unheard of for a judge to make decisions for a person who does not have the mental facilities to make such an informed decision and who has no legal guardian to do so for them especially when it could be a life threatening situation.
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Old 02-05-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Denver
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While I do not agree with doing this at all, the part about determining who is eligible for it doesn't seem to be a problem to me. If you are on public support and you have a child which will require additional public support, then you become eligible for the procedure. Doesn't seem to lend itself to any sort of master race slippery slope to me. It's purely about irresponsible behavior, not about what color your skin is.

One could argue that bearing a child you have no means of supporting could fall under the category of child abuse or neglect similar to how some states charge women who give birth to crack babies with child abuse.
All this stuff needs is a spark...

First welfare, second mental issues, third not paying taxes, forth... N.
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Old 02-05-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Denver
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We have the right to withhold welfare, not to bust into her home and perform a medical operation on her.
Exactly.
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Old 02-05-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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You realize she has mental disabilities, has had 6 children taken from her care, refuses to use BC and another pregnancy would be a heath risk to her. Although I am not a fan of government interference into our personal lives I think in such extreme cases something should be done. I don't think it would benefit anyone to just allow her to keep having children to be taken by the state especially at a risk to her health.

I guess they could just dress her up like justice cobb and no one would want to have sex with her.
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Old 02-05-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Doubt it, with it's Liberal immigration policies it is still having problems with it's muslim population.
That would have been part two.
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Old 02-05-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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If we did this with urban yoof breeding mothers crime rates would drop in half within 2 years.
Really? You think a lot of 2 yr olds commit crimes?
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Old 02-05-2015, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Even her court appointed attorney, and her doctors think this is a good idea. She has already had 6 kids that have been removed from the home, and the doctors say that pregnancy could kill her. Sounds like she has serious mental, and physical, issues.
This.

It's not about whether or not she is receiving government benefits, it's that a court has determined she is not competent in terms of medical decision making.

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“The ethical, legal and medical issues arising here are self-evidently of the utmost gravity, engaging, and profoundly impacting upon [the woman’s] personal autonomy, privacy, bodily integrity, and reproductive rights,” Cobb explained in his written ruling. “This is, in my judgment, an exceptional case on its facts; the applicants seek a range of relief which is likely to arise only in the most extreme circumstances.”

The judge said the woman had a history of concealing or attempting to conceal pregnancies from health professionals. He said: “This case is not about eugenics. This outcome has been driven by the bleak yet undisputed evidence that a further pregnancy would be a significantly life-threatening event for [the woman].

“The applicants’ obstetric, gynaecological and contraceptive experts strongly recommend this treatment for [the woman], jointly expressing themselves in these stark terms: ‘The risk to [the woman] of a future pregnancy, especially if concealed, is highly likely to lead to her death’.”
Judge authorises sterilisation of mother-of-six with learning disabilities | Society | The Guardian
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