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Old 02-06-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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Good stuff, Opun.

Have you noticed that older conservatives are really stuck on the issue of Hunan nature as if that's a valid argument why some social democratic programs can't work? They work fine in nations like Norway and Sweden.
They're run completely differently then liberals want to do here. Corporate tax is like 18-22% and income tax is flat at 22-35% depending on area. In the us your middle class pays 25-30% tax, the 1% only pay 38% and the govt takes almost half of a corporates earnings removing the ability and incentive for corporations to thrive. Gee maybe low revenue industries could pay more then $7.25/hr if half their profits weren't already spoken for.

Sweden also keep its tax dollars in the states where it can be spent efficiently. Would you send every store in every city the same amount of dollars regardless of whether it needs it or not? Would you take a flat rate of cash from each store regardless of the amount of revenue they produced? The US would. Lets also keep in mind their individual taxpayer base is only about 10k people. Sweden is not socialist, it's capitalist with an intelligently designed welfare and tax system.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:19 PM
 
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I know Sweden is not socialist. Its a social democratic capitalist nation. I agree.
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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As if the government's of Norway and Sweden wouldn't throw your a** in jail if you fail to pay your taxes!

These cultures and governments are by no stretch of the imagination libertarian.

Give me a break!

Dave
You don't understand what a libertarian is. A libertarian is anti-statist.

I oppose state ownership of the economy and state interference in civil liberties. How does that not make me a libertarian?

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I must be missing something here. Is Opun a libertarian?
I am closest to a libertarian socialist.

Aka, a "left-libertarian." Bottom left corner of the compass. Social anarchist, economic "collectivist."
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Old 02-07-2015, 07:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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OK, I see the quality of postings in here is going to be crap.

Mods, please move this to Great Debates or Economics.

What?

Now that we all sat you down in the chair of reason and truth, you want to bail and not be embarrassed here anymore.

Before the OP, we had doubt you may be a full blown Communist. Just a little socialist.
But now, I have to say, you have removed all doubt. Stalin would be proud.
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Old 02-07-2015, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I am closest to a libertarian socialist.


Far from it!

You have no idea what libertarian means.
You have stated many times in this forum, how government needs to get bigger, to fix the problems(they the government created)
Communism, isn't a pretty sight, unless you hold all the power.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Talk about inflation. When I was there about 5 years ago, long distance calls were $1 a minute and local calls were free.
Cards and public phones. The point being, the system works, well, when allowed.
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