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Old 02-11-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Orlandochuck1
Over 100 million gun owners in the U.S.
If MOST were irresponsible as you say, wouldn't there be millions and millions of stories like this?
Ya maybe your right bud.........

 
Old 02-11-2015, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Ignoring the facts? Look up the percentage of households that have firearms. See how that percentage is decreasing? That is a trend. Gun violence is also down over time. That is ALSO a trend. Spree killings are way up over time. That too, is also a trend.

A spike in gun sales because of a riot in Missouri is not a trend. It is a spike in gun sales. If that increases long term, THEN it's a trend.

Get it?
Gun Polls are as useless as trying to enforce existing Gun Laws. No one knows how many Household actually have guns. They may know how many actually have registered gun, but not how many have them. If you don't see it, if its not reported or registered, it does not exist on any poll.

Lets face it, everyone has seen the astronomical numbers of Guns that have been sold since Katrina, Sandy Hook, and some of the other civil unrest that went on. Gun sales going way up, every time a group starts advocating gun control, or you have violent civil unrest with looting, has always been the trend, to the point its probably a norm now. The recent events, like Sandy Hook, alone, put enough Assault Rifles on the street, to equip an Army. That's not counting what was already out there, and the Military style weapons that where Grandfathered into the "Ban" lists of weapons and magazines.

Gun People have already adapted to the recent gun Laws, by opposing all gun Laws, not registering their guns from private sales, getting others to buy their guns for them, selling their registered guns, bought new, and buying used guns not registered, or going where they can get clean unregistered guns. Many people who purchased guns after the gun law scares, or civil violence, will decide they really did not need a gun, or will run into financial difficulty, and the gun will be one of the first things sold. No one can stop that with Laws nor can they enforce it.

The anti-gun folks need to find a new crusade or a new way to stop violence, because gun control is not the way, has never been the way, and will never be the way, so they need to accept the fact there is NO cure or control for this issue, and move on.

Your also not going to get a Data Base on everyone's "Mental Health." Doctors are not going to provide that information to Law Enforcement, or anyone else, without a court order, because its privileged information. They aren't going to place themselves in a position of being sued by someone, and it would happen.
 
Old 02-11-2015, 11:18 PM
 
Location: At the center of the universe!
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Originally Posted by Boris347 View Post
Gun Polls are as useless as trying to enforce existing Gun Laws. No one knows how many Household actually have guns. They may know how many actually have registered gun, but not how many have them. If you don't see it, if its not reported or registered, it does not exist on any poll.

Lets face it, everyone has seen the astronomical numbers of Guns that have been sold since Katrina, Sandy Hook, and some of the other civil unrest that went on. Gun sales going way up, every time a group starts advocating gun control, or you have violent civil unrest with looting, has always been the trend, to the point its probably a norm now. The recent events, like Sandy Hook, alone, put enough Assault Rifles on the street, to equip an Army. That's not counting what was already out there, and the Military style weapons that where Grandfathered into the "Ban" lists of weapons and magazines.

Gun People have already adapted to the recent gun Laws, by opposing all gun Laws, not registering their guns from private sales, getting others to buy their guns for them, selling their registered guns, bought new, and buying used guns not registered, or going where they can get clean unregistered guns. Many people who purchased guns after the gun law scares, or civil violence, will decide they really did not need a gun, or will run into financial difficulty, and the gun will be one of the first things sold. No one can stop that with Laws nor can they enforce it.

The anti-gun folks need to find a new crusade or a new way to stop violence, because gun control is not the way, has never been the way, and will never be the way, so they need to accept the fact there is NO cure or control for this issue, and move on.

Your also not going to get a Data Base on everyone's "Mental Health." Doctors are not going to provide that information to Law Enforcement, or anyone else, without a court order, because its privileged information. They aren't going to place themselves in a position of being sued by someone, and it would happen.
Also, we don't even know most of the people that are mentally ill. Most of the time we find out someone is mentally ill when they do something bad. Speaking of Sandy Hook, the kid that did the shooting his mom knew he had a problem but she was embarrassed about her son having a problem and hid it from everybody. She couldn't bring herself to talk bad about her son to anybody. She was intentionally hiding this from people so probably nobody even knew the kid was messed up in the head. I'm sure his classmates in school thought he was pretty strange but nobody thought he would do this. I think background checks are a good idea but I also think they produce limited results. A lot of times when a person goes on a shooting rampage they have a clean criminal record so a background check won't stop these people. When it comes to crime there aren't easy solutions so that's why it's controversial.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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I'm willing to mortgage my house and wager it all that if polls showed that gun sales were through the roof and everyone was buying guns -- far more than the recent historic highs of the 1980s, the "all-or-nothing" gun nuts would immediately point to these polls as significant.

Polls are meaningless when they don't support their belief system and gospel when they do. Got it.
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