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Old 02-05-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: southern california
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The French have already succumbed to twittering about Charlie there is no crack down on Muslims just singing lots of cumbaya

 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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I'm a christian and I agree.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Redraven View Post
I think the key here is the difference between "DID" and "DOING".
Yes, Christians DID some terrible things many years ago.
But, the radical islamists are DOING some terrible things RIGHT NOW!
As is our "Christian" leader.

Report: U.S. drone strike may have killed up to a dozen civilians in Yemen

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One answer to the problem is very simple, but Dear Leader would never do it:
Just tell ALL our citizens in those countries to come home, no matter if they are military or civilian. If any stay after they are told to leave, they are on their own.
Stop ALL trade with those countries, NOW. Don't buy from them, don't sell to them, and most certainly don't GIVE anything to them.
Pack up all the detainees anywhere in the United States or possessions, those who have not been convicted and sentenced, and send them back to their home countries. BUT, let them know that there will be a "Shoot On Sight" warrant out in the United States for them. They are NOT welcome here, EVER! Those who have been sentenced, as soon as their sentence is served, same thing.
Those who want to live under Muslim/Sharia law, go to a country where such is the law of the land. You can't have it here.
Stopping trade is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. While far from perfect China is better off today because we opened relations with them. The people there have saw what others have and want it for themselves also. When you have nothing you have nothing to lose.

We are far better off with more people having something they do not want to lose.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Do they invade countries under false pretenses, turning them into failed states and kidnaping their citizens to hold them in torture prisons the way right-wing Christians are so fond of?

No, until the Christian Right starts behaving a little more Christian and a little less Right their complaints will fall on deaf ears. Right wing Christians are far worse than muslims in every way.
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You are comparing Christians to a group of terrorists that crucify small children and bury them alive. Unbelievable.
That's what radical Islamic terrorist apologists and jihadist sympathizers often do.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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during the Crusades and Inquisition (at least his understanding of them) and of course Jim Crow was a Christian inspired practice:
Did you just get off the boat?

When you're finished processing your immigration paperwork, you might want to head to a library and study US history, you know, so that you don't look like you just got off the boat.

American "Christians" (snicker) used Hebrew texts and so-called "New Testament" writings to justify slaver.

Later, those same works were used to justify "Jim Crow" laws.

The texts say Hammy is a slave to Shem and Cocoa Puffs because somebody begat somebody.

If you don't want to read the history books, then you can listen to audio recordings of "Christan" ministers preaching the justification of "Jim Crow" laws from the pulpit.

There are audio recordings from AM and FM radio broadcasts, as well as film recordings of public speeches and such.

Of course, it would take courage to listen and watch those recordings....and courage is a personal trait not possessed by many on this forum.

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Yes, who are we to judge killing cartoonists for depicting their prophet or burning a man alive in a cage.
Christians murdered 8 Million women by burning them alive staked to a pole.

How is that any different?

Well, okay, admittedly, those women were witches.....not doubt about it, because Christians who talked to god said they were witches.

Wanna talk about the Eastern Orthodox who sought refuge in their local church, and were burned alive by Christians during the Crusades?

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The fact he feels the need to put Christians in their place (why?) at a prayer breakfast is beyond bizarre.
When you stop denying your own history, then people will stop trying to put you in your place.

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Why even discuss it at all?
Because history is repeating itself.

If you don't understand why, it's because you don't know anything about history.

Is the reason you're so upset due to the fact that Christians own the Intellectual Property Rights, Patents, Trademarks, Service-marks and Copyrights on burning people alive?

If Muslims paid royalties and licensing fees to the rightful Christian owners, would that assuage your angst?

Judging....

Mircea
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that Christians have NOT done horrible deeds in the name of Christ? Do you want him to lie?

If you believe this is not true, you are in denial. It has been happening since the dawn of these religions, and it is happening now.

Would you prefer that Obama lie about factual history and reality? He is not a revisionist.



Bravo.
So how can the events of a thousand years ago be used as some kind of equivocation for things that are happening today? Maybe you have a time machine and just got back from the year 1095, but I live in 2015 and I don't see how it's at all relevant.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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So how can the events of a thousand years ago be used as some kind of equivocation for things that are happening today? Maybe you have a time machine and just got back from the year 1095, but I live in 2015 and I don't see how it's at all relevant.
It really isn't. As I noted early on, the problem is what is being done now but that would put Obama on the spot and he will have none of that. It's not his fault that he hasn't stopped bombing others, it is the fault of someone 1000 years ago.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: North America
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Did you just get off the boat?

When you're finished processing your immigration paperwork, you might want to head to a library and study US history, you know, so that you don't look like you just got off the boat.

American "Christians" (snicker) used Hebrew texts and so-called "New Testament" writings to justify slaver.

Later, those same works were used to justify "Jim Crow" laws.

The texts say Hammy is a slave to Shem and Cocoa Puffs because somebody begat somebody.

If you don't want to read the history books, then you can listen to audio recordings of "Christan" ministers preaching the justification of "Jim Crow" laws from the pulpit.

There are audio recordings from AM and FM radio broadcasts, as well as film recordings of public speeches and such.

Of course, it would take courage to listen and watch those recordings....and courage is a personal trait not possessed by many on this forum.



Christians murdered 8 Million women by burning them alive staked to a pole.

How is that any different?

Well, okay, admittedly, those women were witches.....not doubt about it, because Christians who talked to god said they were witches.

Wanna talk about the Eastern Orthodox who sought refuge in their local church, and were burned alive by Christians during the Crusades?



When you stop denying your own history, then people will stop trying to put you in your place.



Because history is repeating itself.

If you don't understand why, it's because you don't know anything about history.

Is the reason you're so upset due to the fact that Christians own the Intellectual Property Rights, Patents, Trademarks, Service-marks and Copyrights on burning people alive?

If Muslims paid royalties and licensing fees to the rightful Christian owners, would that assuage your angst?

Judging....

Mircea
Yeah no, there is no accurate proof of that number.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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What's next is to stay on target. The target is ISIS, not Islam as a whole.

Someone else brought up Nazi Germany (I think they said maybe Obama would forgive them too), but if you remember how it all started, an entire society was using the Jews as a Scapegoat for their problems. Easier to blame the Jews than to get to the real root of the problem.

Same thing is happening here in the USA, and it's frightening. Christians are failing to be Christian anymore. Instead they rush to stereotype Muslims and use them as the scapegoat. Muslims are not the problem, ISIS is. By focusing on Islam, we are not only missing our target, but we ARE IN FACT pouring fuel on the fire.

I've got no problem wiping ISIS off the face of the planet, but not at the expense of the lives of (litterally) billions of innocent people by faulty association.
We are constantly told, for one reason or another, that "Islam is not the problem." Do people ever assure you of this for any other religion? "Judaism is not the problem!" "We shouldn't blame all Buddhists for the actions of a few!" "Most Hindus are peaceful!" "You shouldn't criticize Shinto, because of slavery and the Crusades!"
Alone among the world's faiths, people regularly have to make excuses for, and defend the honor of, Islam. That alone says a lot.
 
Old 02-05-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: North America
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So how can the events of a thousand years ago be used as some kind of equivocation for things that are happening today? Maybe you have a time machine and just got back from the year 1095, but I live in 2015 and I don't see how it's at all relevant.
They still do it today.
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