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All you have to do is look at voter turnout, turnout by race, voting by race, polling and most importantly, the primary.
Look at what happened in the primary. You had two Democrats with a very similar message, Obama and Clinton. Clinton had much greater name recognition, a lot more money and a well oiled organization. Looking at passed primaries, black voting between leading candidates is usually about split without a huge margin one way or another. The primary was historic in how lopsided the black vote was. Close to 90% of black people voted for Obama in the primary. Do you believe his message was that different to make such a huge difference and such a significant anomaly from other racial groups? Of course not, he receive those black votes because he was black. It carried into the general election with a record shattering black turnout. At the time, the black population was 12% of the electorate but accounted for 13% of the vote.
Above are all numbers which are easy to verify and reflect what we know happened. That right there was enough to give Obama the victory.
Now, let's talk about what is not easy to show or verify. I'm certain that Obama received a lot of votes from the independents as well as a larger turnout by younger people (which we can see by the numbers was a larger than normal turnout) because he was black. "I want to be part of history by voting in the first black president" was a factor. You can pretend it wasn't, but it was. I know several white people who openly talked about how cool it would be to have a black president. They talked about both the historical aspect as well as the "healing the racial divide". Can you tell me that you never heard a single person you know talk about how his race was a factor in their decision?
I'm sorry, but Obama being black was the key to him becoming President. If he were not black, it's doubtful he would have beat Hilary in the primary.
Actually more blacks supported Hillary over Obama prior to her husband coming out and stating some rather racially focused statements. FYI, black people don't like stuff like that. Things like that are the primary reason why blacks do vote for Dems in large numbers over the GOP candidates. I lived in Atlanta in 2008 and I am friends with a lot of what I call "Super Democrats." Many of them are local stalwarts in the Democratic Party and all are black, many are also elected offcials. All of them except 2 supported Hillary Clinton over Obama until Bill started saying things about how he knew that blacks in SC weren't going to vote for Hillary. Then all the Super Democrats started looking at Obama more and more since he had won in Iowa. But most of them were suspicious of Obama and felt a loyalty to Hillary. I was at Pascal's Restaurant in 2007 in Atlanta when Hillary came and John Lewis announced his support for her as a candidate. And for her to draw up support from all the Super Democrat black Atlantans and everyone in attendance LOVED her and she had their support completely until Bill opened his mouth
If he would not have said those things , I highly doubt Obama would have received as much of the black vote. To think that all black people vote for only blacks is silly, even in regards to Democratic Primaries. Carol Mosely Braun, a black woman from Chicago as well has run for president and was in the primaries and she didn't get the amount of black support that Obama did. Al Sharpton has run a few times and as much as CDers think that he is a "black leader" he never received as much of the black vote as Obama did. Obama was just an excellent candidate and he made everyone have a "feel good" moment in many ways.
Actually more blacks supported Hillary over Obama prior to her husband coming out and stating some rather racially focused statements. FYI, black people don't like stuff like that. Things like that are the primary reason why blacks do vote for Dems in large numbers over the GOP candidates. I lived in Atlanta in 2008 and I am friends with a lot of what I call "Super Democrats." Many of them are local stalwarts in the Democratic Party and all are black, many are also elected offcials. All of them except 2 supported Hillary Clinton over Obama until Bill started saying things about how he knew that blacks in SC weren't going to vote for Hillary. Then all the Super Democrats started looking at Obama more and more since he had won in Iowa. But most of them were suspicious of Obama and felt a loyalty to Hillary. I was at Pascal's Restaurant in 2007 in Atlanta when Hillary came and John Lewis announced his support for her as a candidate. And for her to draw up support from all the Super Democrat black Atlantans and everyone in attendance LOVED her and she had their support completely until Bill opened his mouth
If he would not have said those things , I highly doubt Obama would have received as much of the black vote. To think that all black people vote for only blacks is silly, even in regards to Democratic Primaries. Carol Mosely Braun, a black woman from Chicago as well has run for president and was in the primaries and she didn't get the amount of black support that Obama did. Al Sharpton has run a few times and as much as CDers think that he is a "black leader" he never received as much of the black vote as Obama did. Obama was just an excellent candidate and he made everyone have a "feel good" moment in many ways.
Neither Braun nor Sharpton could lie and BS like Obama.
Obama is the greatest snake oil salesman in history, and yes you've been had !!!!
With a majority on the floor and a majority on each committee, the Pubs didn't let anything through that they didn't approve. The policies were theirs. Barney Frank was a minority member in his committee.
Before Obama, whites cast their vote for a white presidential candidate 100% of the time. Strange, considering the huge advantage black men have in winning presidential elections!
You must be getting very dizzy with all that spinning.
Obama won due to him being a black at the right time. Sorry if you can't accept that.
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo
With a majority on the floor and a majority on each committee, the Pubs didn't let anything through that they didn't approve. The policies were theirs. Barney Frank was a minority member in his committee.
If the Republicans had acted and the crisis had been averted, all we would have heard is how the racist Republicans passed legislation to keep black people from buying homes.
I don't blame the Republicans for being gun shy on those policies. The press loves to run with the racist angle whenever possible.
We know that Bush said Fannie and Freddie needed more regulation, to be audited and have greater oversight. He also said that it could lead to major economic problems.
Meanwhile, Frank was going to the press saying Bush was full of it, Fannie and Freddie were sound and this was all about keeping poor people and minorities out of home ownership.
And you try to blame it on Bush? The man who predicted what happened and tried to warn everyone.
Can you at least admit this was a problem caused by government trying to manipulate mortgage lending?
I can not beleive he will be remembered as anything but a Pres. that had to have it his way, was unable to work with both sides, leaned to the left, was too sensitive and not a strong world leader. Of course I could be wrong, but I just can't see he has done much right. Oh, has he been a complete failure? Of course not, but he certainly will not go down in history as a good President. At least that is my opinion. His blaming everything on someone else is getting a little old: in fact it was old 5 years ago.
With a majority on the floor and a majority on each committee, the Pubs didn't let anything through that they didn't approve. The policies were theirs. Barney Frank was a minority member in his committee.
Did the R's have a supermajority in the Senate? No. Were the Dems able to stop whatever they wanted? Yes.
Not only do you not understand what caused the 2008 financial crisis, you also have NO idea how Congress works.
If the Republicans had acted and the crisis had been averted, all we would have heard is how the racist Republicans passed legislation to keep black people from buying homes.
I don't blame the Republicans for being gun shy on those policies. The press loves to run with the racist angle whenever possible.
We know that Bush said Fannie and Freddie needed more regulation, to be audited and have greater oversight. He also said that it could lead to major economic problems.
Meanwhile, Frank was going to the press saying Bush was full of it, Fannie and Freddie were sound and this was all about keeping poor people and minorities out of home ownership.
And you try to blame it on Bush? The man who predicted what happened and tried to warn everyone.
Barack Obama's Legacy: How will History remember him?
A centrist, corporate war-hawk....
...while ignorant, intellectually-handicapped mouth-breathers screamed "Socialist!" like they even knew what it meant.
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You'll have to do better than that
