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Old 02-06-2015, 12:32 PM
 
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Muhammed was a ruthless warrior that butchered innocent men, women and children in the name of Allah.

Jesus sacrificed himself for mankind.

Dear Leader's psychophants willing to swallow any verbal feces he tosses at them like hungry performing seals.
Bible under study is more blood thirsty than the Quran.

Deuteronomy 20:16–17

But uin the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but vyou shall devote them to complete destruction,1 the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded,

1 Samuel 15:18

And the Lord sent you on a mission and said, ‘Go, devote to destruction the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

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We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
Simply illustrates the ignorance of the people of the West.

ISIS, terrorism... all of them have nothing to do with religion. It's about money, power, control and the best way to do that is to use religion. Look at all the people here saying the Bible really isn't violent. For some reason, I'm doubting most of these people have actually read the bible. Instead they've listened to select passages used by a church to push a point. Exactly as these organizations use religion, specifically picking out the parts that further their goals and ignoring the rest of the book.

Crusades are a prime example of Christian use of it. Crusades had nothing to do with taking back the holy land and everything to do with money, power, control. Is it out dated? Sure. Is it reason enough for people to get so bent out of shape? It only illustrates their misunderstanding.
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Old 02-06-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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Wow. Really?

Talk about literalism.

If you cannot understand the analogous point of the president's statement, well...
If it were a merely one time analogous point, I'd ignore it.
It is his constant refusal to name the terrorists as Islamic. If you haven't seen the many many times he's used a euphemism instead of Islam, you need to watch more than MSNBC.
In fact I can't remember him ever saying the words Islamic terrorism, or even alluding to Muslims being involved in any "workplace violence." It's always euphemisms like a death cult, a few misguided radicals, etc etc.
But perhaps I've missed it.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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The Crusades happened for the very reasons we are at war with Islam today.
Christians got tired of being massacred for not believing in a religion of death and hate.
You seriously need some lessons in history.

Pope Urban who ordered the first Crusade was chronicled thus:

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to ***** all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.




... this land which you inhabit, shut in on all sides by the seas and surrounded by the mountain peaks, is too narrow for your large population; nor does it abound in wealth; and it furnishes scarcely food enough for its cultivators. Hence it is that you murder one another, that you wage war, and that frequently you perish by mutual wounds. Let therefore hatred depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves ... God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven.


All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let them eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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The Crusades happened for the very reasons we are at war with Islam today.
Christians got tired of being massacred for not believing in a religion of death and hate.
The crusades were about money and power. They were about grabbing land. No other reasons.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Ever watch the movie? Ever examine the facts within it?

Confirmation bias isn't a good thing. I know it can be hard to learn that Obama isn't who you thought he was, who you'd hoped he'd be, but that's the way of it.
Obama is just fine with me. I'm not complaining.


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The Crusades happened for the very reasons we are at war with Islam today.
Christians got tired of being massacred for not believing in a religion of death and hate.
Christians did believe in a religion of death and hate.

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Old 02-06-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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I get it. Obama wasn't saying that Jesus Christ promoted these actions, but that doesn't stop some Christians from claiming that Jesus Christ would approve of their inhuman acts. Those Christians took on the mantle of their religion, just as ISIL does. In my opinion, both are mistaken.
No, you don't get it.

Obama couldn't bring himself to say ISIL and Allah or Muhammad or Islam in the same sentence. For ISIL, barbarism 'in the name of religion' is close enough.

Meanwhile, for Christians, the Crusades to Jim Crow are 'in the name of Christ.'
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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This guy is an embarrassment to this nation. No two ways about it.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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The crusades were about money and power. They were about grabbing land. No other reasons.
Really? So papal decrees were not involved? Indulgences were not offered? There was no religious motivation for the Crusades?

How about the second analogy: slavery and Jim Crow (and the implied white nationalist terrorism). Burning crosses have nothing to do with religion?

The obvious point is that claiming religious righteousness to justify oppression and violence is immoral.

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Old 02-06-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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The truth is that inquisition actually is a good example where religion was used as a tool to commit evil acts. Whoever defends such acts are not defending Christianity, but evil.
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Old 02-06-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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The sad thing is that going back to the Crusades was totally unnecessary.

Christian tomfoolery has a far more recent past to draw from.
The thing is, Christians as a people and as a religion have evolved and transformed. There was no longer an accepted place in Christianity for racism, bigotry, slavery, etc.. Meanwhile Islam retains all of these things, with people still stoned to death for being gays, apostates, adulterers, etc...

Christianity has most definitely evolved past the crusades, while Islamic states in the 21st century still conduct holy wars and want to conquer the world in the name of Allah and Islam.
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