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The truth is that inquisition actually is a good example where religion was used as a tool to commit evil acts. Whoever defends such acts are not defending Christianity, but evil.
Evil people will use whatever tools they can to impose their will against their own people or upon the world, it does not matter whether they use religion, ideology, politics, race, etc...
Actually, an even better friend is sponsoring, arming, and propping up terrorist groups when it's convenient for you to do so, then condemning it when it comes back to bite you in the ass.
Another friend of terrorism is committing terrorist acts yourself, and being blessed to have a populace that conveniently forgets what their own government has done around the world.
Moral relativism has lots of company it seems.
Like Obama using his drones to kill not only the terrorists but all the people standing around in the vicinity. How he can talk about killing in anyone's name and not include himself in any of those killings is awesome. But than he is above it all.
Bible under study is more blood thirsty than the Quran.
Deuteronomy 20:16–17
But uin the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but vyou shall devote them to complete destruction,1 the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded,
1 Samuel 15:18
And the Lord sent you on a mission and said, ‘Go, devote to destruction the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."
Simply illustrates the ignorance of the people of the West.
ISIS, terrorism... all of them have nothing to do with religion. It's about money, power, control and the best way to do that is to use religion. Look at all the people here saying the Bible really isn't violent. For some reason, I'm doubting most of these people have actually read the bible. Instead they've listened to select passages used by a church to push a point. Exactly as these organizations use religion, specifically picking out the parts that further their goals and ignoring the rest of the book.
Crusades are a prime example of Christian use of it. Crusades had nothing to do with taking back the holy land and everything to do with money, power, control. Is it out dated? Sure. Is it reason enough for people to get so bent out of shape? It only illustrates their misunderstanding.
To prove your point you cite 4 verses out of the Old Testament, none from the New Testament of course.
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. Christianity was founded by people proclaiming to follow Christ. Christ's followers have certainly performed many evil acts including killing.
So you think Obama was sympathizing with terrorism when he said the following?
We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
You notice he never said they did these things in the name of Mohammed but he does say Christians killed in the name of Jesus. Double standard all around.
Evil people will use whatever tools they can to impose their will against their own people or upon the world, it does not matter whether they use religion, ideology, politics, race, etc...
That was Obamas point. That's why he called ISIS an "evil death cult".
Christianty has not evolved. Inquisiton and crusades were never in line with Christianity to begin with.
Really? So papal decrees were not involved? Indulgences were not offered? There was no religious motivation for the Crusades?
How about the second analogy: slavery and Jim Crow (and the implied white nationalist terrorism). Burning crosses have nothing to do with religion?
The obvious point is that claiming religious righteousness to justify oppression and violence is immoral.
Religious motivation? No. Use of religion for some to get what they wanted? Yes.
The popes back then used religion to perpetrate huge land grabs.
Burning of crosses have anything to do with religion? No. Use of religion for people to try and get power/control over others? Yes.
You're missing the point. People use religion to get what they want (money, power, control, etc) because it's easy to brainwash people with religion. Notice how violence under the name of religion often only use a select parts of the religion, and ignores the rest.
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Originally Posted by MUTGR
To prove your point you cite 4 verses out of the Old Testament, none from the New Testament of course.
The thing is, Christians as a people and as a religion have evolved and transformed. There was no longer an accepted place in Christianity for racism, bigotry, slavery, etc.. Meanwhile Islam retains all of these things, with people still stoned to death for being gays, apostates, adulterers, etc...
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LOL, if you think that these things aren't still pervasive amongst far-right, Fundamentalist Christian believers today than you're fooling yourself. Maybe you need to spend some time in the Bible belt. Christians may not stone gays to death ( anymore ), but they still ostracize them, and make life difficult for them by fighting at every turn to deny them equal protections under the law. And last I checked, the Bible still does say that a man who lay with another man is to be stoned to death ( along with disobedient children )
No, Christianity and it's believers have not evolved passed these things, it's just that now, those feelings of hatred, bigotry, and racism amongst Christians are more latent than they used to be.
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