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The truth is, PEOPLE evolved as they became more liberated, educated, and more secular.
If the church had its way, we'd still be in the Dark Ages.
It didn't evolve, it was hijacked for evil purposes during the inquisition etc. The Bible always said "love your neighbor, and love even your enemies".
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The sad thing is that going back to the Crusades was totally unnecessary.
Christian tomfoolery has a far more recent past to draw from.
It's irrelevant regardless of what he compares ISIS to. You cannot justify or excuse what ISIS does because of what a group totally unrelated to ISIS did however many years ago. And why would ANYONE try to justify or excuse what ISIS does unless they SUPPORT what ISIS does?
No one is justifying or excusing atrocities committed during the crusades. Why is Obama trying to excuse what ISIS is doing? All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. Not that he's a good man but he is setting the stage for the US to do nothing because, after all, THE CRUSADES....as if that excuses raping women, selling girls into sexual slavery, suicide bombings that kill the innocent, killing hostages in barbaric ways and releasing video for all the world to see... NOTHING Christianity or any other religion has done has ANYTHING to do with what ISIS IS DOING NOW!!!
It's irrelevant regardless of what he compares ISIS to. You cannot justify or excuse what ISIS does because of what a group totally unrelated to ISIS did however many years ago. And why would ANYONE try to justify or excuse what ISIS does unless they SUPPORT what ISIS does?
No one is justifying or excusing atrocities committed during the crusades. Why is Obama trying to excuse what ISIS is doing? All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. Not that he's a good man but he is setting the stage for the US to do nothing because, after all, THE CRUSADES....as if that excuses raping women, selling girls into sexual slavery, suicide bombings that kill the innocent, killing hostages in barbaric ways and releasing video for all the world to see... NOTHING Christianity or any other religion has done has ANYTHING to do with what ISIS IS DOING NOW!!!
Let's hijack this thread!
Tell me how ISIS is different than the cartels south of the border.
ISIS has nothing to do with religion... that's merely the scapegoat...
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
It didn't evolve, it was hijacked for evil purposes. The Bible always said "love your neighbor, and love even your enemies".
Rofl. Love your neighbor is something feel good we're taught in sunday school. I cannot think of one era of human history it was actually practiced anywhere near fully by the faith.
please show me ANY quote from Christianity showing convert or die.....
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Yes I get it, you want the fight with Islam. You want to portray Muslims as the only people performing evil deeds in the name of their religion. That Islam is an evil religion that needs to be wiped out.
Hopefully the majority of people have seen the destruction that religious wars can and do bring.
It's irrelevant regardless of what he compares ISIS to. You cannot justify or excuse what ISIS does because of what a group totally unrelated to ISIS did however many years ago. And why would ANYONE try to justify or excuse what ISIS does unless they SUPPORT what ISIS does?
No one is justifying or excusing atrocities committed during the crusades. Why is Obama trying to excuse what ISIS is doing? All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. Not that he's a good man but he is setting the stage for the US to do nothing because, after all, THE CRUSADES....as if that excuses raping women, selling girls into sexual slavery, suicide bombings that kill the innocent, killing hostages in barbaric ways and releasing video for all the world to see... NOTHING Christianity or any other religion has done has ANYTHING to do with what ISIS IS DOING NOW!!!
What part of calling ISIL a "brutal, vicious death cult" do you not understand? That is hardly providing an excuse or justification for their atrocities.
It didn't evolve, it was hijacked for evil purposes during the inquisition etc. The Bible always said "love your neighbor, and love even your enemies".
Well, all religions have love and magnanimity as part of their creed.
Problem is, their adherents don't follow it. And speaking from an empirical standpoint, I've rarely ever seen it from Christians in this country.
I'll concede though that my experiences with Christians in Europe were far more genuine and favorable. My interactions with Muslims there were even better.
The only fairly positive interactions I've had with American Christians on a routine basis have been with Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's irrelevant regardless of what he compares ISIS to. You cannot justify or excuse what ISIS does because of what a group totally unrelated to ISIS did however many years ago. And why would ANYONE try to justify or excuse what ISIS does unless they SUPPORT what ISIS does?
No one is justifying or excusing atrocities committed during the crusades. Why is Obama trying to excuse what ISIS is doing? All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. Not that he's a good man but he is setting the stage for the US to do nothing because, after all, THE CRUSADES....as if that excuses raping women, selling girls into sexual slavery, suicide bombings that kill the innocent, killing hostages in barbaric ways and releasing video for all the world to see... NOTHING Christianity or any other religion has done has ANYTHING to do with what ISIS IS DOING NOW!!!
No one tried to justify anything. The whole point flies a mile over your head, probably because you only heard an out of context snippet. The point was to portray ISIS as an "barbaric, evil death cult" which is using religion to push an evil agenda. The executioners during the inquisition behaved the same way and claimed to do it in name of Christianity, although it was the opposite of what the Bible teaches.
Obama should have brought up the world's largest genocide, which was the destruction of Native American culture, which was a mostly Christian thing. He could have mentioned that its still going on to this day in South America. But he can't do that because people gloss over that like it's somehow different.
The crusades is a terrible example. Both Muslims and Christians acted out of line during the crusades. But the Christian conquest of the West was unjust and cruel, and isn't even finished yet.
Not to mention the largest genocides committed by a single group (native American genocide was a coalition of states) were committed by, not Muslims, but nationalists (statists/atheists/communists; call them whatever). Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot; all atheists. And of course, there was Hitler, who was Catholic and had no problem saying God was on his side. But of course, Hitler's not a real Christian and that's not at all hypocritical to say. But all Muslims are pure evil!
The crusades were about money and power. They were about grabbing land. No other reasons.
A wise man once said that "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
You would benefit from some study of the history of the Crusades. They are best characterized as a series defensive battles to take back land conquered by the Muslims over a period of some 4-500 years before the first crusade even occured.
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Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth
Yes I get it, you want the fight with Islam. You want to portray Muslims as the only people performing evil deeds in the name of their religion. That Islam is an evil religion that needs to be wiped out.
Hopefully the majority of people have seen the destruction that religious wars can and do bring.
So what is your plan then? To give ISIS free reign? To let them gather in strength, eventually leveraging Iran's nuclear weapons program? To sit down and talk with these animals the way Chamberlain talked with Hitler?
How many more innocents must die or be raped or be enslaved before we take action?
Dave
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