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Old 02-08-2015, 12:10 AM
 
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No kidding: Facts show Brownback

Kansas is following the economic dreams of Republicans and lo and behold, the state of Kansas is going to the gutter.

Do we really need any further proof that conservative economic ideals don't work?? As always, conservatives will be and always have been on the wrong side of history
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:38 AM
 
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Before you bots start cackling about Kansas, take a peak at how well liberal policies have worked our for, say, Detroit, all of California, New York, etc.

That's something to be real proud of, is
Isn't it?
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:43 AM
 
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No kidding: Facts show Brownback

Kansas is following the economic dreams of Republicans and lo and behold, the state of Kansas is going to the gutter.

Do we really need any further proof that conservative economic ideals don't work?? As always, conservatives will be and always have been on the wrong side of history
Well, let's see. Given that Canada and Germany both enacted conservative responses to the recession and recovered faster than America did with Obama's stimulus, given that Wisconsin under a conservative governor has reduced its deficit by a billion dollars, given that FDR's New Deal program was a disaster which had its own architect declare was a failure, given the bankruptcy of Detroit, given the 30 billion dollars in debt that California racked up following liberal policies, given that after almost 50 years and 15 trillion dollars of the War on Poverty the poverty rate hasn't even gone down by 1%, yes I would say that your so-called "proof" is actually pathetically inadequate.


Conservatives are on the wrong side of your ignorance and rhetoric, that's true. But wrong side of history? Don't make me laugh. No liberal policy in the past century has succeeded. Social Security is going bankrupt, the Department of Education has succeeded in reducing rather than increasing student test scores, the Great Society accomplished none of its goals, liberal Keynesian economics failed to stop both the Depression and the recent recession, almost wherever and whenever workers are given the choice they invariably choose not to unionize despite liberal claims of how great labor unions are, liberal policies of being friendlier to Muslims have not resulted in any drop in terrorism whatsoever, liberal emphasis on green energy has not produced any viable alternatives to fossil fuels, liberal predictions about climate change have a full 100% record of being inaccurate, etc. Against this litany of total failure you want to place Kansas. That is laughably ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:44 AM
 
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meanwhile it was liberal ideas and policies that crashed the entire American economy
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:21 AM
 
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meanwhile it was liberal ideas and policies that crashed the entire American economy
The conservative "zero regulation/laissez-faire" philosophy caused one depression (1930s) and one monstrous housing crash (2007). The GOP works for the predators.

Their foreign policy and social ideals are arguably just as awful.
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Old 02-08-2015, 02:16 AM
 
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The conservative "zero regulation/laissez-faire" philosophy caused one depression (1930s) and one monstrous housing crash (2007). The GOP works for the predators.

Their foreign policy and social ideals are arguably just as awful.
uhm

the 2007 housing crash was all liberal policies...

the liberals and their, ""lets give mortgages to those who cant afford it,"" (started in 1995) is what killed the economy

mixed with the liberal globalization

and then the liberals killed it with the min wage raise of 07/09
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:41 AM
 
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uhm

the 2007 housing crash was all liberal policies...

the liberals and their, ""lets give mortgages to those who cant afford it,"" (started in 1995) is what killed the economy

mixed with the liberal globalization

and then the liberals killed it with the min wage raise of 07/09
Wow, there is so much wrong in your one post. Congrats.

The 2007 housing crash was not all liberal policies unless we now consider Baby Bush to be a "liberal."

That is a stretch to blame the mistakes that happened on the Bush era to something in the Clinton era, especially seeing during the Bush era, Republicans were more than happy to give banks plenty of room to take on those mortgages with nothing to worry about.

Liberal globalization? What does that even mean? You can't just string words together and pretend they have any meaning. I don't recall seeing the Republicans trying to limit globalization. Heck, Republicans created NAFTA.

There is no proof that the economy took any real hit from raising the minimum wage, you are just grasping for straws with that one.
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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OP - Welcome to the forum.

As you are probably aware you have just stuck a unwelcome cattle prod of rationality into the exit vent of conservative economics. Enjoy watching them vent their internally inconsistent rhetoric.


Be aware that the government NEVER does anything or follow any policy or war that does not benefit the upper level politically connected investors that own our politicians and control our economy. The "Capitalism" that the right wing worships is not capitalism at all but a finely crafted system that protects a very few financiers and investors at the expense of everyone else. Right Wing fanatics (aka most of the previous posters) worship the people and actions that exploit the true believers in the worship of Mammon.
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Old 02-08-2015, 04:17 AM
 
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Wow, there is so much wrong in your one post. Congrats.

The 2007 housing crash was not all liberal policies unless we now consider Baby Bush to be a "liberal."

That is a stretch to blame the mistakes that happened on the Bush era to something in the Clinton era, especially seeing during the Bush era, Republicans were more than happy to give banks plenty of room to take on those mortgages with nothing to worry about.

Liberal globalization? What does that even mean? You can't just string words together and pretend they have any meaning. I don't recall seeing the Republicans trying to limit globalization. Heck, Republicans created NAFTA.

There is no proof that the economy took any real hit from raising the minimum wage, you are just grasping for straws with that one.
the 'great recession' was due to liberal policies of offshoring jobs and easymoney housing


let this INFORM you, these problems stem from: 1993, 1995, and 1999 and you can thank the liberals for it, and most of it goes back to the clinton era. why because ECONOMICS run in 10(+/-4) year CYCLES and what we are facing NOW is in DIRECT RELATION to what happened back in the 90's

1993 NAFTA-originally pushed by Brzezenski and his liberal puppet carter,,moved along by reagan's VP bush1----negotiated by another brzezenski puppet bush1--- passed in 1993 by the democrat controlled congress, pushed by clinton, signed by clinton-inceased with CAFTA by bush2--the consequence ...... 60+ million HIGH PAYING jobs have been lost, 2 trillion worth of debt from the lost wages.(and obama ahs increased it too, not only as Senateor Obama with OFTA, but also as potus obama..............hmmm)

1995 clinton (through his chief of HUD (Henry Cisneros and later his second chief andrew coumo)) eased the rules on obtaining mortgages allowing more 'exotic' mortgages and 'no-doc/low doc' mortgages-----the consequence ......housing SKYROCKETED causing low inventories causing a 'not normal' increase in home prices, sellers got greedy, buyers got even greedier (looking to PROFIT in a skyrocketing market by flipping) and bought THINKING that prices would still increase and their ADJUSTABLE mortgage would pay it self off in MINIMUMAL years...EVEN THOUGH THESE INCREASES IN HOME VALUES WERE TOTALLY UNHEARD OF, AND MORTGAGE RATES WERE AT 40 YEAR LOWS( what did they think an adjustable mortgage gotten at 40 year lows would do in the term(3 months-3years) when it adjusted...of course it would go up, their CONTRACT even said after the term it would be 6% PLUS PRIME)))
For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."
The above is the start of the mortgage meltdown: Clinton's National Homeownership Strategy


those are the two biggest causes of the great recession


then add these:



1996 clinton signed The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it allowed industry consolidation whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 30 in 1993 to 10 in 1996, and reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.) causing MONOPOLIES, which can RAISE PRICES

1998 clinton does not allow drilling for OUR OWN OIL..the liberals say 'it will take ten years before we seee the oil'...guess what its been ten and more years

1999 Clinton DEREGULATES the banking industry

2000 clinton signs the China trade bill

2000 clinton signs the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000..(which paves the way for ENRON)

2000/1 clinton pushes to get china into the world bank

2002 bush and medicare part d...., bush giving the liberals more big government

2003/4/5 republicans try to reign in fanny and freddie...the liberal opposition leaders (barney frank and cris Dodd) say "there is nothing wrong with fanny/Freddie...its a witch hunt"........boy does barney have egg on his face now

1965 liberals push medicare....say it will only cost 10 billion by 1995....in 1995 it cost 100 billion...in 2010 it cost 500 billion, 2012 it cost 600 billion ,2013 it was nearly 680 billion AND CLIMBING

07/09 liberals raise the min wage...adding to the perfect storm



it aint the gop.....its the liberals (and liberals(ie progressives) can be from both the democrat party and the rino party) that have cost us


so is soro's pulling your strings, or what
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Old 02-08-2015, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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I just checked BLS.gov site and Kansas unemployment is 4.2%, one of the lowest in the country. So those Republican policies have created jobs. Okay so they cut income taxes and now there's less money to waste on give outs to people for votes....the horror!
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