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Old 02-09-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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So which skeptic/denier can explain this:

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So who here can explain the consequences of releasing an increasing amount (unit of measurement is gigatons) of greenhouse gases that have been stored underground for tens to hundreds of millions of years in a very short time period, geologically. Some how the skeptics fail to see the issue, if increased volcanic activity over decades can change the climate, why can't our actions?

 
Old 02-09-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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Maybe if we taxed them more people would believe in evolution.
Cute. So you can't really comment on it without some deflection. That just shows how terribly unqualified you are to discuss the issue. Just because you can read and know how to use Google doesnt mean anything...
 
Old 02-09-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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Cute. So you can't really comment on it without some deflection. That just shows how terribly unqualified you are to discuss the issue. Just because you can read and know how to use Google doesnt mean anything...
Its all been commented on thousands of times.
 
Old 02-09-2015, 10:09 AM
 
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Its all been commented on thousands of times.
So has evolution.... and evolution still stands. So are you uneducated or just politically motivated?
 
Old 02-09-2015, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Here is the problem-

1. it depends on where you measure temperature

2. it depends on the time of day you measure temperature

3. it depends on the accuracy of the device you are using to measure temperature

4. it demands that all "observers" use the SAME device to measure temperature, such that comparisons can be made over space and time

5. it demands that LONG TERM data be used for comparisons


The AGW crowd has the distinct peculiar habit of ignoring the longest climate data we have (the fossil record) and ignoring the influence of solar activity as well as volcanic activity in any discussion- i.e. any data that refutes the premise of AGW is ignored. Such behavior is more akin to a cult and is the antithesis of science.
And another big one;

6. It demands that the environment around the device not change over time, ie. increased concrete in the immediate area.

What percent of the weather stations meet these criteria?
 
Old 02-09-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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Here is the problem-

1. it depends on where you measure temperature

2. it depends on the time of day you measure temperature

3. it depends on the accuracy of the device you are using to measure temperature

4. it demands that all "observers" use the SAME device to measure temperature, such that comparisons can be made over space and time

5. it demands that LONG TERM data be used for comparisons


The AGW crowd has the distinct peculiar habit of ignoring the longest climate data we have (the fossil record) and ignoring the influence of solar activity as well as volcanic activity in any discussion- i.e. any data that refutes the premise of AGW is ignored. Such behavior is more akin to a cult and is the antithesis of science.
And a 7. It demands that the long term data not be adjusted to fit the expected result.
 
Old 02-09-2015, 10:34 AM
 
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And another big one;

6. It demands that the environment around the device not change over time, ie. increased concrete in the immediate area.

What percent of the weather stations meet these criteria?
And there are no ways possible to take into that account.....

It's like skeptics only can use the talking points, but fall apart once you peel back the first layer. Just like evolution denialist.
 
Old 02-09-2015, 10:35 AM
 
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And a 7. It demands that the long term data not be adjusted to fit the expected result.
Raw data is never used in the final draft, but you'd know that if you had actual have done any real research. It's amazing how the same methods used in medicine, physics, organic chemistry aren't questioned.....
 
Old 02-09-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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Raw data is never used in the final draft, but you'd know that if you had actual have done any real research. It's amazing how the same methods used in medicine, physics, organic chemistry aren't questioned.....
Did you read the article? "Two weeks ago, under the headline “How we are being tricked by flawed data on global warming”, I wrote about Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming." The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph Can you explain the math behind this one please?
 
Old 02-09-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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Did you read the article? "Two weeks ago, under the headline “How we are being tricked by flawed data on global warming”, I wrote about Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming." The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph Can you explain the math behind this one please?
All that I can tell is that only Homewood has been able to substantiate this claim and the news outlet has run with that. I'd prefer to wait and see if this turns out to be true as I have a hard time believing a blogger and no one else has uncovered this. If true, then it would certainly be a huge blow no doubt.

Care to answer this, which is the basis for climate change:

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So who here can explain the consequences of releasing an increasing amount (unit of measurement is gigatons) of greenhouse gases that have been stored underground for tens to hundreds of millions of years in a very short time period, geologically. Some how the skeptics fail to see the issue, if increased volcanic activity over decades can change the climate, why can't our actions?
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