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Old 02-09-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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All this talk about automation ... somebody has to manufacture and maintain them. That creates ... jobs .... gasp.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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somebody has to manufacture and maintain them
Not really (well, not in the sense of creating more jobs above the existing jobs base). Manufacturing processes themselves are increasingly automated, so it's not as though you need row upon row of assembly workers adjusting or installing things by hand.

Automation displaces other devices as well as workers, and those devices are also manufactured. So if you replace a human worker, an oven/stove, fryer, microwave, etc. with an all-in-one cooking unit, you don't create "manufacturing" jobs in the aggregate. Similar to service/maintenance jobs - you'd have to account for existing service jobs currently reliant upon devices that would be replaced.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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Not really (well, not in the sense of creating more jobs above the existing jobs base). Manufacturing processes themselves are increasingly automated, so it's not as though you need row upon row of assembly workers adjusting or installing things by hand.

Automation displaces other devices as well as workers, and those devices are also manufactured. So if you replace a human worker, an oven/stove, fryer, microwave, etc. with an all-in-one cooking unit, you don't create "manufacturing" jobs in the aggregate. Similar to service/maintenance jobs - you'd have to account for existing service jobs currently reliant upon devices that would be replaced.
Things in the assembly plant break, things need to be cleaned up, replaced, managed, etc...

I'm willing to bet McDonalds has tons of spare parts on stock to fix commonly broken things in their fryers, grills, etc...

But I'm not arguing it would ADD jobs, but it's not a total loss of jobs either. And the jobs would probably be higher paying than minimum wage.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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Things in the assembly plant break, things need to be cleaned up, replaced, managed, etc...
That's true of assembly plants today, though. If we reduce the need for industrial output by consolidating more functions into smaller machines, then we'd end up with a net loss of jobs, along with the continuing automation of manufacturing processes themselves.

For example, consider the number of machined parts that used to involve some type of handworking - on a lathe, polishing, etc. - but which are now handled entirely by other machines. And consider the disposability of various devices compared to the past.

People used to go to great lengths to repair and service their tools, because replacing a tool could be a big financial hit. But if you can just crank another one out on a machine, that calculation shifts. Just toss and replace.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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That's true of assembly plants today, though. If we reduce the need for industrial output by consolidating more functions into smaller machines, then we'd end up with a net loss of jobs, along with the continuing automation of manufacturing processes themselves.

For example, consider the number of machined parts that used to involve some type of handworking - on a lathe, polishing, etc. - but which are now handled entirely by other machines. And consider the disposability of various devices compared to the past.

People used to go to great lengths to repair and service their tools, because replacing a tool could be a big financial hit. But if you can just crank another one out on a machine, that calculation shifts. Just toss and replace.
Which causes more wear and tear on the manufacturing machines themselves. More use due to the disposable nature of the product it is creating. Not only that, but the physical resources (wood, oil, etc...) need to be gathered and shipped if our goods are disposable.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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That would only create more jobs if we needed more human labor input to achieve the same or higher levels of industrial productivity. The trend over time has been more productivity with fewer hours worked, which is a trend that only accelerates with more automation.

Think of all the functions that humans currently perform, but which could plausibly be done better (more safely, more accurately, for less money) by a non-human machine. There are a whole lot of them.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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Behold america, a glimpse of your future. Oh you just gotta love it when liberals are bitten by their own socialist practices.

BBC News - Drone waiters unveiled in Singapore
Now, that doesn't look like a silly gimmick at all.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:20 PM
 
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Um, did you notice that this has nothing to do with minimum wage, and is actually due to a labor shortage?
(Singapore actually has no minimum wage at all.)
You men a liberal poster would post something and claim it said one thing when in fact their OWN article Doesn't mention it at all?

Shocked, just shocked, O tell ya'!
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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All this talk about automation ... somebody has to manufacture and maintain them. That creates ... jobs .... gasp.
Manufactured in China.
Maintained by hb1visa Indian.
Because Americans will just not do "those" jobs..........
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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So true! Automation & AI are going to put millions more on unemployment lines in the years to come. We as a society (worldwide, actually) are going to need to change the way the economy works, as, for the first time in history, people will no longer be needed to supply any significant amount of labor.

Then, we will ALL be the "lazy unemployed parasites".

The future is a pretty scary place, unless major changes are undertaken.
Yep! Many predicted that the computer would put lots of people out of work. "Save the Underwood Typewriter repairman!"
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