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Old 02-11-2015, 07:05 AM
bUU
 
Location: Georgia
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The basis of ONE race... Black Americans
False.

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Picking winners and losers.
No. Partially rectifying a pattern of discrimination imposed on a class of Americans that have left members of that class at far greater disadvantage than they would have been if the offensive behavior by discrimination apologists was not permitted.

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There is no equal treatment by the government there.
The constitutional concept is not "equal treatment". It is "equal protection". If you were part of a class that suffered a long-term pattern of discrimination, you would receive the same consideration.

Deliberately mischaracterizing constitutional concepts doesn't make your erroneous comments more credible - quite the opposite. Dumbing things down such that your characterizations are no longer accurate is ridiculous.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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They are forcing businesses and individuals to accept/recognize same sex marriage.
Nobody is forcing businesses and individuals to "accept" same sex marriage. Government is being forced to treat gay people equally under the law.
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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You don’t want government involved in marriage? Consider the following scenario:

Jason and Jennifer live in the state of Utopia. Unhappily, their life together turns out to be less than blissful, and one day Jason takes their son Jimmy, all their money, and the family car, and goes to the state of Euphoria to live with his girlfriend Jessica. Before leaving, Jason told Jennifer: "I’m taking Jimmy who’s my son, and all the money that I earned, and the car bought with my money; and if you try to stop me, I’ll kill you."

1. Absent the law, what rights does Jennifer have?

2. What is the source of those rights?

3. Absent the law, how would she enforce those rights?

The government is not the problem. To the contrary, the government’s role in defining and enforcing marital rights by law is the solution to the problems posed by marriage.
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Old 02-11-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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The extreme measures left wingers want to go just to force the legalization of gay marriage on others is absolutely disgusting.

Thumbs up to this thread for showing who thinks they get to run others lives.


Letting gays get married is running your life!

LMAO!

Congratulations on your mastery of Orwellian Newspeak.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:34 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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False.

No. Partially rectifying a pattern of discrimination imposed on a class of Americans that have left members of that class at far greater disadvantage than they would have been if the offensive behavior by discrimination apologists was not permitted.

The constitutional concept is not "equal treatment". It is "equal protection". If you were part of a class that suffered a long-term pattern of discrimination, you would receive the same consideration.

Deliberately mischaracterizing constitutional concepts doesn't make your erroneous comments more credible - quite the opposite. Dumbing things down such that your characterizations are no longer accurate is ridiculous.


True.. Affirmative Action only benefits Black Americans

Is is gay marriage gay Affirmative Action.

Where is my one up as an individual, since justice is blind and cannot see color.

Lowering the bar for minorities, so more minorities can join Fire depts.... Good move.
Happening here.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:40 PM
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Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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What does government have to do with society? Society doesn't progress through force and coercion. At least not a humane society.
That's an odd statement for an american to make.

The constitution is all about the social contract between the people - society - and their government.

Even the founders obviously accepted that sometimes the government must use sanctions and force. Americans can and do argue ceaselessly over whether the government is "going too far" in many areas, but the reason that we argue is that we know our opinions matter and that we can change government. If we're not society, who is?
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:44 PM
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then there should NOT be a '''license''' (a permission slip), and a fee


if its a ""RIGHT"", then you should not need permission and have to pay a fee to the government


by them requiring you to get permission and pay a fee(tax), they (the government) has said its NOT A RIGHT, but a privilege
Where are you required to get a marriage license in order to establish a household with as many partners of as many genders as you please?

If you want the government to recognize/support/enforce the rights and responsibilities that go with a marriage license, get one. If not - don't. Either way, no relationship police are going to come to your door demanding to see a marriage license.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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Letting gays get married is running your life!

LMAO!

Congratulations on your mastery of Orwellian Newspeak.
No, but forcing you to take photographs or bake cakes or otherwise contribute to gay weddings is government telling people how to run their lives.

And the irony of a liberal referring to newspeak given the absurdities of political correctness is pretty amazing.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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No, but forcing you to take photographs or bake cakes or otherwise contribute to gay weddings is government telling people how to run their lives.

And the irony of a liberal referring to newspeak given the absurdities of political correctness is pretty amazing.
Don't sell wedding cakes or do other wedding services if your business is in a state with anti-discrimination laws.

If you CHOOSE to open a business providing those services how did the government tell you what to do?

Don't like the laws, go work to get them changed. I say get rid of all of the anti discrimination laws no protections for race, age, sex, religion, sexual orientation, nothing. It will be fun to hear some people scream when they they are refused service because they are Christian, white, or male.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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No, but forcing you to take photographs or bake cakes or otherwise contribute to gay weddings is government telling people how to run their lives.

And the irony of a liberal referring to newspeak given the absurdities of political correctness is pretty amazing.
You are not forced to do any of those things. If you have a business and it's illegal to discriminate, you can't discriminate. Do we have to relitigate all of America's civil rights legislation all over again?

Forcing a photography business to cater to black trade! They're running your life!

If you have a business that serves the public and you don't want to serve the public, whose fault is that?
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