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Old 02-10-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
That's like saying my rights are being violated if I don't get to do everythiing I want to. Please.
No, it is like saying that if it is legal for your neighbor to do something but illegal if you do it, then your rights are being violated.

At least try to make a rational argument.

 
Old 02-10-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So, no reasoned argument? Disappointed

Married couples enjoy a lot of legal rights denied to unmarried couples. Yes, there are rights that come from marriage.
They are not rights, they are privilidges granted by government. Look up the definition of a right. Government does not grant rights. Rights are automatic at birth.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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Nope sorry, most Americans support it .
Nope sorry, only many Democrats support it. Conservatives do not.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Judges are not congress. Judges have the job of determining the constitutionality of laws passed by states.
These judges have ruled overwhelmingly that bans on same sex marriage violate the 14th amendment equal protection clause.

But I suppose YOU know more than 25+ judges about the constitution. Maybe you should write them and offer to educate them.
Horsehockey! As little as ten years ago, the same judges would not have even entertained the idea that the 14th applies to gay marriage. It would have had no chance whatsoever. "Constitutionality" has more to do with public opinion than it does with some esoteric principles being revealed by men and women in black robes. Opinion in Alabama apparently has not evolved sufficiently.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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JUST FOR THE RECORD - same sex marriage is legal throughout most of the south.

It's contested but the bans have been ruled unconstitutional in a few states throughout the nation, including three states in the south.

It's been banned and the ban is being upheld in about 8 states - five of which are not in the south.

Just to clarify.

Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 02-10-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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You are incorrect. No one gets their rights because they are married.
A whole slew of legal rights are conferred upon marriage.

For instance, ordinarily, only my immediate family members (lineal descendants/antecedents and siblings) have the legal right to sue for wrongful death in a court of law should I be murdered or negligently/recklessly killed at the hands of another. Marriage gives that right to one's legal spouse.

That's one legal right people get when they are legally married.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 05:00 PM
 
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No one is redefining marriage any more than allowing women and blacks to vote redefined the word voter. Get over it.
That is the WORST analogy EVER! Marriage has been defined as between one man and one woman since the dawn of time. Even the constitution does not define a "voter."

Why is it so hard for proponents of gay marriage to just admit they want to redefine a core tradition of western society instead of using buzz words like "equality" when they are not arguing for polygamy or any other forms of marriage?

It's not a child...it's a choice....

It's not a fundamental change to the core structure of the family...it's equality....


George Orwell must be so proud!
 
Old 02-10-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO ACCEPT SSM.
YES THEY ARE. Are you so uninformed that you haven't heard the marriage cake making debacle? answer- Yes you are. Yet again.

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Period. you can shove your finger in your ears and chant that gays are evil all you want. No one cares.
I'll take YOUR word for it on the finger part but I never said gays are evil. That's your sick twisted agenda because you are unable to seek the truth so you falsely testify about others beliefs. Pathetic but not surprising.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Still avoiding the question. Laughable you were the one who brought it up but dont know the reason why. The reason always matters.
Do try to verbalize your objections rather than just hinting that you're operating on a plane that can't be attained by us mortals.
 
Old 02-10-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
Horsehockey! As little as ten years ago, the same judges would not have even entertained the idea that the 14th applies to gay marriage. It would have had no chance whatsoever. "Constitutionality" has more to do with public opinion than it does with some esoteric principles being revealed by men and women in black robes. Opinion in Alabama apparently has not evolved sufficiently.
Over 14 years ago the supreme court ruled that the 14th DOES apply to marriage laws. Does public opinion matter? yep. But it does change the meaning of the constitution? nope.
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