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Old 02-10-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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Dag nab it! This is getting like whack-a-mole. Seems the people prefer Conservative governors. And, just look what the people get. Another union busting, against the people, Republican Governor.

Newly elected IL Governor, Bruce Rauner, has issued an XO, relieving 6,500 state employees, who are not part of the afscme, of their required 'fairshare' paycheck deduction. It will be interesting how this holds up in the courts. Indiana Gov Mitch Daniels did something similar in IN., via XO. It stood up.

But this is IL, home of Jimmy - where is he - Hoffa, and all that is attendant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/10/us...ions.html?_r=0
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:19 AM
 
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That is good. No employee should be forced to join a union.
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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Actually Pedro, the 6,500 employees are not forced to join the union. In lieu of being a member they pay their fairshare to the union. It reminds me of the penalty that became a tax with the Scotus ruling on Obamacare. Same thought process. Same coercive method at work. The Democrat way. Go along; or else.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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The good:

Illinois legislature is Democratic supermajority, so his influence is limited.

The bad:

Illinois people will consume this crap and eventually vote for more nut jobs that vow to cut their wages. Race to the bottom will commence. Illinois will be happy to join Indiana in the ****ter.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Actually Pedro, the 6,500 employees are not forced to join the union. In lieu of being a member they pay their fairshare to the union. It reminds me of the penalty that became a tax with the Scotus ruling on Obamacare. Same thought process. Same coercive method at work. The Democrat way. Go along; or else.
How about I amend that to "That is good. No employee should be forced to join a union or pay dues to a union which they are not officially members."

In my mind, paying "fairshare to the union" is not much different than being forced to join it.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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Illinois people will consume this crap
Consume what crap, that you shouldn't be forced to pay a union in order to have a job?
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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Consume what crap, that you shouldn't be forced to pay a union in order to have a job?
Correct.

You should be mandated to be prudent. If you don't join a union, collective bargaining has no strength. If collective bargaining has no strength, labor is at the mercy of employers. You cannot negotiate a fair wage if the guy next to you is willing to work for slave wages because he is unemployed.

This is exactly the scenario the oligarchs want.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:16 AM
 
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I get that Democrats are not too good with basic math, but let me try again. How is the following cutting wages? And, not giving someone more determination over their life?

Jolene makes $1,500 per month. She has to have deducted payroll taxes, etc. On top of that, she gets to have - $60 per month, as an estimate - deducted from her paycheck and given to an organization she chose not to join. What would $720 per annum mean to someone netting $1,000, again an estimate?

Assuming her apartment or home has the hookups, Jolene, single mom, could make the payments on her own washer and dryer. Instead of having to drag her children out at all hours to do the wash. Or, worse. Leave hewr children alone, while she goes to the laundromat.

Oh, and you forgot Michigan and Wisconsin.
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The good:

Illinois legislature is Democratic supermajority, so his influence is limited.

The bad:

Illinois people will consume this crap and eventually vote for more nut jobs that vow to cut their wages. Race to the bottom will commence. Illinois will be happy to join Indiana in the ****ter.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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Or labeling something a penalty, when it is really a tax. Dems are clever wordsmiths. I'll give them that.
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How about I amend that to "That is good. No employee should be forced to join a union or pay dues to a union which they are not officially members."

In my mind, paying "fairshare to the union" is not much different than being forced to join it.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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Correct.

You should be mandated to be prudent. If you don't join a union, collective bargaining has no strength. If collective bargaining has no strength, labor is at the mercy of employers. You cannot negotiate a fair wage if the guy next to you is willing to work for slave wages because he is unemployed.

This is exactly the scenario the oligarchs want.
Why do you believe anyone should be forced to allow another to bargain for them?
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