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Old 02-10-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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Maids, service industry workers, food service workers, etc, were never jobs that paid one enough to have a family, buy a house, a car, take vacations, maternity leave, sick days or other benefits.

Unless you were the owner or in a management position.

Welders, carpenters, riveters, painters and other skilled trades did. Even before unions.

Skill = compensation.

You can't change that fact.
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Old 02-10-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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Maids, service industry workers, food service workers, etc, were never jobs that paid one enough to have a family, buy a house, a car, take vacations, maternity leave, sick days or other benefits.

Unless you were the owner or in a management position.

Welders, carpenters, riveters, painters and other skilled trades did. Even before unions.

Skill = compensation.

You can't change that fact.
It comes down to two things. One. Are people looking for those with your Skillz? Two. How many competitors do you have?
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Old 02-10-2015, 05:50 PM
 
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Maids, service industry workers, food service workers, etc, were never jobs that paid one enough to have a family, buy a house, a car, take vacations, maternity leave, sick days or other benefits.

Unless you were the owner or in a management position.

Welders, carpenters, riveters, painters and other skilled trades did. Even before unions.

Skill = compensation.

You can't change that fact.
I was in food service in the late 80's when I was 18. I raised a family on it. BARELY. I didn't buy a house, take sick time, vacations, etc.

I could not do the same today. In the meantime however the productivity, and income as a nation per person has skyrocketed.....to the top. Thats the point.
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:17 PM
 
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I was in food service in the late 80's when I was 18. I raised a family on it. BARELY. I didn't buy a house, take sick time, vacations, etc.

I could not do the same today. In the meantime however the productivity, and income as a nation per person has skyrocketed.....to the top. Thats the point.
6 years into "Mr. Equality" and the gap has grown exponentially.

Obviously, your sides ideology in practice doesn't work.
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Maids, service industry workers, food service workers, etc, were never jobs that paid one enough to have a family, buy a house, a car, take vacations, maternity leave, sick days or other benefits.

Unless you were the owner or in a management position.

Welders, carpenters, riveters, painters and other skilled trades did. Even before unions.

Skill = compensation.

You can't change that fact.
I can't comment on if it was enough to raise a family, but I do know this: back in the day, minimum wage jobs like food service were enough to pay for college tuition and only work part time. That's not possibly today. In fact, for a person to pay for their own college working a minimum wage job, they would have to work at least 17 hours a day to pay for 4 years of college.

Skill does=compensation. And college makes acquiring those skills easier and more accessible. College is unreasonably expensive, and not everyone has rich parents to pay for it or want to spend the first decade of their adult life repaying all their loans.

So let's think about that angle for a while.
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:23 PM
 
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I can't comment on if it was enough to raise a family, but I do know this: back in the day, minimum wage jobs like food service were enough to pay for college tuition and only work part time. That's not possibly today. In fact, for a person to pay for their own college working a minimum wage job, they would have to work at least 17 hours a day to pay for 4 years of college.

Skill does=compensation. And college makes acquiring those skills easier and more accessible. College is unreasonably expensive, and not everyone has rich parents to pay for it or want to spend the first decade of their adult life repaying all their loans.

So let's think about that angle for a while.
Why are there no congressional hearings on the cost of college?
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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If you are in the military as an enlisted person with BAH and the rest of the government benefits you will make $56,000 per year flipping hamburgers. If its good enough for the government why cant we raise the minimum wage for everyone else who picks up the tab for our military?
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:28 PM
 
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If you are in the military as an enlisted person with BAH and the rest of the government benefits you will make $56,000 per year flipping hamburgers. If its good enough for the government why cant we raise the minimum wage for everyone else who picks up the tab for our military?
"Burger flippers" have no tax burden. Have them sign up and walk the walk.
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:31 PM
 
Location: North America
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Why are there no congressional hearings on the cost of college?

Uncle Sam holds the paper. Debt is the money supply. A nation of citizens in debt to the government is a necessity.

Who own the mortgage notes? Student loans? And the bankers just siphon 200 basis points off the top.
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