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I also can admit we make mistakes, and am not afraid to say it. I also know the 9/11 terrorists attacked us for supporting Israel and for being involved in ME politics. But the way things are worded here and in other places suggest that it's all our fault, and we should excuse their actions of the murder of thousands of innocents. If they had problems with the way we do things, why not handle it in a civilized way, such as protest, some kind of talks, etc? Instead of destroying buildings and mass murder in the name of Allah.
It was our fault, in a manner of speaking. Bare in mind, this is not the equivalent of me saying we deserved it. None of the people who died deserve it. If anyone deserved it, it was our politicians who are mentally deficient, but I wouldn't even say the deserve because I wouldn't wish death on anyone, including the people who hate us.
We shouldn't meddle in the affairs of a region half way around the world. They want sovereignty and independence. They might do things we don't like. And we have to accept that. Make it clear we don't want a war. Make it clear we want to be, if not allies, at least neutral. We've spent trillions of dollars and lost too many lives to a war that hasn't accomplished anything. I want it to end. In order for peace and stability to happen in the ME, it has to be them who reaches it. If we do it for them, it will be short lived and things will be worse than they were before, which is exactly how ISIS came to be.
I care about this country and I care about the Middle East and the word. Our involvement is not what's best for the world.
Because Liberals are essentially Commies and Marxists. No Commie or Marxist is a true patriot because they are group think drones, Big Government socialists, they are essentially Statists, they pledge allegiance to Big Gubmint and the bureaucracy, not the the country.
Yeah, all the cons opposing abortion and gay marriage are certainly involved in highly creative thought .
Because Liberals are essentially Commies and Marxists. No Commie or Marxist is a true patriot because they are group think drones, Big Government socialists, they are essentially Statists, they pledge allegiance to Big Gubmint and the bureaucracy, not the the country.
It's been proven that you don't even have an adequate understanding of Communism, so I don't know why you insist on bringing it up every time we talk about liberals.
And are communists not capable of being patriotic? I'd describe Lenin, if nothing else, as being overly patriotic. Patriotism is loyalty to a nation, not a specific political ideology.
What freedom exactly? Freedom to enter anybody houses and take their money?
All existing systems of belief and morals are simply not up to the task of clearly defining personal freedom and its limits.
I am an anarchist/voluntaryist. I don't want to take anyone's money.
And "natural rights" philosophy has been around for hundreds of years. The problem isn't a matter of being able to define freedom. The problem is that, freedom doesn't maximize corporate profits and government tax revenues. Freedom doesn't allow the government to spend $700 billion a year on a military.
Governments have been operating as quasi-businesses for a very long time. Governments regularly make "investments" to increase their tax revenue. Basically, they tax people, build things for the benefit of big-business, then use their profits to tax people even more.
That is why we can't have freedom. You don't want to be free.
"Liberty and democracy are eternal enemies, and every one knows it who has ever given any sober reflection to the matter. A democratic state may profess to venerate the name, and even pass laws making it officially sacred, but it simply cannot tolerate the thing. In order to keep any coherence in the governmental process, to prevent the wildest anarchy in thought and act, the government must put limits upon the free play of opinion. In part, it can reach that end by mere propaganda, by the bald force of its authority — that is, by making certain doctrines officially infamous. But in part it must resort to force, i.e., to law. One of the main purposes of laws in a democratic society is to put burdens upon intelligence and reduce it to impotence. Ostensibly, their aim is to penalize anti-social acts; actually their aim is to penalize heretical opinions. At least ninety-five Americans out of every 100 believe that this process is honest and even laudable; it is practically impossible to convince them that there is anything evil in it. In other words, they cannot grasp the concept of liberty. Always they condition it with the doctrine that the state, i.e., the majority, has a sort of right of eminent domain in acts, and even in ideas — that it is perfectly free, whenever it is so disposed, to forbid a man to say what he honestly believes. Whenever his notions show signs of becoming "dangerous," ie, of being heard and attended to, it exercises that prerogative. And the overwhelming majority of citizens believe in supporting it in the outrage. Including especially the Liberals, who pretend — and often quite honestly believe — that they are hot for liberty. They never really are. Deep down in their hearts they know, as good democrats, that liberty would be fatal to democracy — that a government based upon shifting and irrational opinion must keep it within bounds or run a constant risk of disaster. They themselves, as a practical matter, advocate only certain narrow kinds of liberty — liberty, that is, for the persons they happen to favor. The rights of other persons do not seem to interest them. If a law were passed tomorrow taking away the property of a large group of presumably well-to-do persons — say, bondholders of the railroads — without compensation and without even colorable reason, they would not oppose it; they would be in favor of it. The liberty to have and hold property is not one they recognize. They believe only in the liberty to envy, hate and loot the man who has it."
"Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary."
"What the common man longs for in this world, before and above all his other longings, is the simplest and most ignominious sort of peace: the peace of a trusty in a well-managed penitentiary. He is willing to sacrifice everything else to it. He puts it above his dignity and he puts it above his pride. Above all, he puts it above his liberty. The fact, perhaps, explains his veneration for policemen, in all the forms they take–his belief that there is a mysterious sanctity in law, however absurd it may be in fact. A policeman is a charlatan who offers, in return for obedience, to protect him (a) from his superiors, (b) from his equals, and (c) from himself. This last service, under democracy, is commonly the most esteemed of them all. In the United States, at least theoretically, it is the only thing that keeps ice-wagon drivers, Y.M.C.A. secretaries, insurance collectors and other such human camels from smoking opium, ruining themselves in the night clubs, and going to Palm Beach with Follies girls . . . Under the pressure of fanaticism, and with the mob complacently applauding the show, democratic law tends more and more to be grounded upon the maxim that every citizen is, by nature, a traitor, a libertine, and a scoundrel. In order to dissuade him from his evil-doing the police power is extended until it surpasses anything ever heard of in the oriental monarchies of antiquity."
"Democracy always seems bent upon killing the thing it theoretically loves. I have rehearsed some of its operations against liberty, the very cornerstone of its political metaphysic. It not only wars upon the thing itself; it even wars upon mere academic advocacy of it. I offer the spectacle of Americans jailed for reading the Bill of Rights as perhaps the most gaudily humorous ever witnessed in the modern world. Try to imagine monarchy jailing subjects for maintaining the divine right of Kings! Or Christianity damning a believer for arguing that Jesus Christ was the Son of God! This last, perhaps, has been done: anything is possible in that direction. But under democracy the remotest and most fantastic possibility is a common place of every day. All the axioms resolve themselves into thundering paradoxes, many amounting to downright contradictions in terms. The mob is competent to rule the rest of us—but it must be rigorously policed itself. There is a government, not of men, but of laws—but men are set upon benches to decide finally what the law is and may be."
"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule — and both commonly succeed, and are right...The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds."
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I'm just really, genuinely curious. OK, some liberals do love this country, sure. But seriously, I've never heard or seen a conservative say things like "9/11 happened because we meddled in other countries' affairs; we deserved it" or "we need to make peace with the radicals and try to understand them"...nor have I heard conservatives say things like "our troops are the real terrorists" or "they don't protect our freedom"...I have just ONE question for you libs that say things like this--why do you still live here? If you really hate America that much, just leave and go to your beloved ****hole extremist or communist countries like China, Syria, DR of Congo or Venezuela.
So does this mean you are a Statist? Statists tend to be the very patriotic.
I'm just really, genuinely curious. OK, some liberals do love this country, sure. But seriously, I've never heard or seen a conservative say things like "9/11 happened because we meddled in other countries' affairs; we deserved it" or "we need to make peace with the radicals and try to understand them"...nor have I heard conservatives say things like "our troops are the real terrorists" or "they don't protect our freedom"...I have just ONE question for you libs that say things like this--why do you still live here? If you really hate America that much, just leave and go to your beloved ****hole extremist or communist countries like China, Syria, DR of Congo or Venezuela.
Where do you get off saying that liberals hate this country. Liberals want to promote peace, conservatives just want war. Maybe you should move if you don't like it.
Conservatives don't want war. But they recognize that you can't always have peace. You can't hold hands and sing kumbayah with people who are trying to kill you because you don't believe what they do. Some people recognize that we have to face reality and can't always live in a politically-correct dream world.
Conservatives don't want war. But they recognize that you can't always have peace. You can't hold hands and sing kumbayah with people who are trying to kill you because you don't believe what they do. Some people recognize that we have to face reality and can't always live in a politically-correct dream world.
Yep, we can't always be at peace because right wingers seem to want to police the world and get involved in everyone else's business.
Conservatives don't want war. But they recognize that you can't always have peace. You can't hold hands and sing kumbayah with people who are trying to kill you because you don't believe what they do. Some people recognize that we have to face reality and can't always live in a politically-correct dream world.
And your solution is?
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