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Old 02-11-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by Vejadu View Post
One of the first thing many dictators do is eliminate religion. These monsters violently purged religion from their nations, which set the stage for this type of mass genocide.

While Atheism didn't directly inspire them to murder upwards of 100 million people, the biggest atrocities of the 20th century undoubtably happened in the absence of religion, not because of it.
Yet history doesn't support this. It is about power and control and is done through any available outlet, including religion.

 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:43 PM
 
Location: USA
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You are the one making the connection, not me. I have not made any declarations about this being just about religion. As a matter of fact I specifically said religion could be just a coincidence, although his anti-muslim rants suggest he was not completely neural about religion. .
If that is the case I'm sure it will come out. It's not a hard reach that an Atheist could view Muslims as a threat as there are violent Islamist groups in almost every country in the world, and being an Atheist is worse than a Fellow Monotheist to many of them.

Maybe he's part of a Christian Terrorist organization and was recruited by a radical blind Priest preaching Kismet or whatever the Christian equivalent to Jihad would be?
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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Chapel Hill shooting: Three young Muslims gunned down in North Carolina family home - Americas - World - The Independent

The killer of the 3 Muslims in UNC was a self-declared atheist who on facebook, used to post "regular images and text condemning all religions."

Maybe he needs to be classified as a liberal and an atheist:

A review of the*Facebook page of the man charged*in these murders, Craig Hicks, shows a consistent theme of anti-religion and progressive causes. Included in his many*Facebook “likes”*are the Huffington Post, Rachel Maddow, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Freedom from Religion Foundation, Bill Nye “The Science Guy,” Neil deGrasse Tyson, gay marriage groups, and a host of anti-conservative/Tea Party pages.

*Killer of 3 NC Muslim Students Was Hardcore Anti-Religion Atheist Progressive | PJ Tatler
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Originally Posted by Vejadu View Post
One of the first thing many dictators do is eliminate religion. These monsters violently purged religion from their nations, which set the stage for this type of mass genocide.

While Atheism didn't directly inspire them to murder upwards of 100 million people, the biggest atrocities of the 20th century undoubtably happened in the absence of religion, not because of it.
Yep, almost all dictators do that... except the Middle Eastern ones. And Hitler. And Mussolini. And the various King and Emperor of the past, who were not really different in how they achieved their power. But yeah, atheists suck!


You sure about that last part? Anti-semetism in Europe didn't start when Hitler showed up. It had been around for centuries starting with... you guessed it: The church! They didn't like that the Jews denied Christ as their savior and had been persecuting them relentlessly. And no, it didn't just go away for a while and Hitler brought it back. It had been around the whole time. It went away in some parts of Europe, but Germany never truly lost it. Now, I would never say that Hitler's actions were driven by religion, but all he did was pick up where the church left off.

As for the crimes done by communists (or as you incorrectly insist, atheists), why were they against religion? Well, let's go back to the source for that one. Why was Karl Marx against religion?

It's because he saw religion as a way of controlling and suppressing the people, and given the time he was living in and ALL of Europe's history, only a true ignoramus would suggest that he got to that conclusion unjustly. The communist dictators (whom Marx would never support I should add) may have taken that a step too far.

Religion would not have stopped what happened in the 20th century. Centuries of religious intolerance promoted by the church set Europe on a path for such extreme levels of hatred of cultural others.
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Maybe he needs to be classified as a liberal and an atheist:

A review of the*Facebook page of the man charged*in these murders, Craig Hicks, shows a consistent theme of anti-religion and progressive causes. Included in his many*Facebook “likes”*are the Huffington Post, Rachel Maddow, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Freedom from Religion Foundation, Bill Nye “The Science Guy,” Neil deGrasse Tyson, gay marriage groups, and a host of anti-conservative/Tea Party pages.

*Killer of 3 NC Muslim Students Was Hardcore Anti-Religion Atheist Progressive | PJ Tatler
Oh no, does this mean all liberals need to denounce this man in public so the right wingers don't start thinking that we are all just like him? That is what they do with Muslims now.
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Oh no, does this mean all liberals need to denounce this man in public so the right wingers don't start thinking that we are all just like him? That is what they do with Muslims now.

As soon as crazed atheists take over large nations and start chopping off heads and marrying off captured women possibly so.
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Muslim-Americans killed in revenge of 911: 1
That's probably because Sikhs got the brunt of the post-9/11 violence. Bigots didn't know there was a difference.

History of Hate: Crimes Against Sikhs Since 9/11
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Originally Posted by Bleidd View Post
A review of the Facebook page of the man charged in these murders, Craig Hicks, shows a consistent theme of anti-religion and progressive causes. Included in his many Facebook “likes” are the Huffington Post, Rachel Maddow, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Freedom from Religion Foundation, Bill Nye “The Science Guy,” Neil deGrasse Tyson, gay marriage groups, and a host of anti-conservative/Tea Party pages.
And to think another poster was trying to pin him as a conservative tea party type...
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"Chapel Hill Police said that a preliminary investigation suggested the crime was “motivated by an ongoing neighbour dispute over parking”."
That is a politically correct way to report it.
 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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How is it moving the goal post ?????


And yes, arguing that something is over someone taking your morning(or was it night) parking spot is indeed a spur of the moment thing. You dont have to say it out loud for that to be the case.

you dont kill 3 people over a one time argument.
You didn't specify any difference between a "spur of the moment" argument and an ongoing dispute at first - which is why I said you were moving the goal posts.

As others have pointed out to you, parking spaces in condos and apartments are often the cause of ongoing disputes, as well as spur of the moment disputes. We don't know for sure which sort of dispute was involved and we don't know whether or not the victims being Muslim had anything to do with the shooter's actions. I'm sure we'll find out more as this case is investigated but as for now, we simply don't know why he shot them. Of course, I'm not saying he's justified in any way because unless they were threatening his life (which I seriously doubt) he had no justifiable reason to kill them.

We just don't know the facts yet.

Just as people get up in arms when there's a terrorist attack and some people immediately assume it's Muslims - let's not just immediately assume these people were shot because they're Muslim.
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