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Old 02-13-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I was raised to not take advantage of a woman just because she is drunk. Sure, I might have missed out on what some men would consider an easy hook up, but I prefer that the women I sleep with be fully aware they are going to have sex and are choosing so.

Unfortunately there are too many men out there that think taking advantage of someone whwn they are drunk is the only way to get laid.
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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Don't be silly. If you think drunk sex is rape, at least have a proper response.
why ask the question to libs in particular?
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:54 AM
 
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If being drunk means she can't consent because of impairment, would it mean the man is impaired if he's drunk thus not criminally responsible, similar to temporary insanity. I'm not advocating that, just extending the logic for discussion.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:01 AM
 
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Why don't you just explain your opinion? Is every thread on this stupid site a question just for liberals?
It doesn't have to be. But I question how a liberal state like California see drunk sex as rape.
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Here are some simple guidelines for the OP:

How to Prevent Rape:

If a woman is drunk, donít rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, donít rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, donít rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, donít rape her.
If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, donít rape her.
If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend youíre still hung up on, donít rape her.
If a woman is asleep in her bed, donít rape her.
If a woman is asleep in your bed, donít rape her.
If a woman is doing her laundry, donít rape her.
If a woman is in a coma, donít rape her.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, donít rape her.
If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, donít rape her.
If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, donít rape her.
If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, donít rape her.
If your step-daughter is watching TV, donít rape her.
If you break into a house and find a woman there, donít rape her.
If your friend thinks itís okay to rape someone, tell him itís not, and that heís not your friend.
If your ďfriendĒ tells you he raped someone, report him to the police.
If your frat-brother or another guy at the party tells you thereís an unconscious woman upstairs and itís your turn, donít rape her, call the police and tell the guy heís a rapist.
Tell your sons, god-sons, nephews, grandsons, sons of friends itís not okay to rape someone.
Donít tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape.
Donít imply that she could have avoided it if sheíd only done/not done x.
Donít imply that itís in any way her fault.
Donít let silence imply agreement when someone tells you he ďgot someĒ with the drunk girl.

This has been a public service announcement for the OP and his ilk.
No one is saying rape and sexual assault is acceptable. However you are certainly missing the point.
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Why would I think that? Because you seem to be offended by this bill. Why is that?
Explain the rationality behind it then.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: in the soup
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It doesn't have to be. But I question how a liberal state like California see drunk sex as rape.

No one is saying rape and sexual assault is acceptable. However you are certainly missing the point.


Explain the rationality behind it then.
Rape is bad m'kay?

What more do you want?
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Originally Posted by katzpaw View Post
Here are some simple guidelines for the OP:

How to Prevent Rape:

If a woman is drunk, don’t rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, don’t rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, don’t rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, don’t rape her.
If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, don’t rape her.
If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend you’re still hung up on, don’t rape her.
If a woman is asleep in her bed, don’t rape her.
If a woman is asleep in your bed, don’t rape her.
If a woman is doing her laundry, don’t rape her.
If a woman is in a coma, don’t rape her.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, don’t rape her.
If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, don’t rape her.
If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, don’t rape her.
If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, don’t rape her.
If your step-daughter is watching TV, don’t rape her.
If you break into a house and find a woman there, don’t rape her.
If your friend thinks it’s okay to rape someone, tell him it’s not, and that he’s not your friend.
If your “friend” tells you he raped someone, report him to the police.
If your frat-brother or another guy at the party tells you there’s an unconscious woman upstairs and it’s your turn, don’t rape her, call the police and tell the guy he’s a rapist.
Tell your sons, god-sons, nephews, grandsons, sons of friends it’s not okay to rape someone.
Don’t tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape.
Don’t imply that she could have avoided it if she’d only done/not done x.
Don’t imply that it’s in any way her fault.
Don’t let silence imply agreement when someone tells you he “got some” with the drunk girl.

This has been a public service announcement for the OP and his ilk.
It works both ways. If the guy is drunk, don't bang him. According to the rules being discussed, the woman is just as guilty of sexual assault as a guy is, as it should be.

There is a bright side for the guys too. No more waking up in the morning, realizing that chick you woke up with is as ugly as a baboon's butt, and chewing your arm off to get away without waking her. Just make it clear that you were too drunk, she took advantage of you and charge her with sexual assault. You're the VICTIM here dude. Just like the drunk chick that scr*wed some guy she wouldn't have if she were sober.

The case in the OPs link is especially asinine. Both parties were about equally intoxicated, but by all accounts the woman initiated sexual contact, left her room and went to his after being escorted out. If anyone is in violation of the school's policy, she was. Yet it's the man held responsible.

Last edited by Toyman at Jewel Lake; 02-13-2015 at 11:20 AM..
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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It doesn't have to be. But I question how a liberal state like California see drunk sex as rape.
Did you read the article you linked to? It's about how universities and colleges across the US are defining sexual misconduct when students have sex with other intoxicated students on a school by school basis. It mentions one school in California, but it mentions colleges in Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Washington State, and so on... It mentions nothing about the State of California seeing drunk sex as criminal rape, it's about individual colleges are approaching the subject of students supposedly taking advantage of other drunk students and defining that as sexual misconduct. Criminal rape is investigated by local police departments not individual colleges with sexual misconduct policy.

Colleges have their own policies and bylaws, because they're sensitive on a number of issues and don't like that bad publicity when their students misbehave. I think some of this is overreacting and there's probably plenty of cases where both students were drunk and there wasn't a party to blame, though there's others that are close to misconduct, and colleges get embarrassed when a big story makes the news(about fraternities drinking a pledge to death or drunken date rape or so on). And colleges are basically full of drinking and bad decisions.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I don't know, I have no idea what politics have to do with nonconsensual sex. Does the OP wish for the days when he could force himself on a woman, drunk or not?

When were those days? I don't remember rape ever being legal.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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so only libs have sex when drunk?
No, only liberals are stupid enough to make mutually consensual sex between two adults a crime after they had a couple drinks.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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Man drunk, woman sober... they have sex. Did she rape him?
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