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That's exactly the problem. When other people's taxes pay for one's education, getting marketable skills becomes the least important part of the college years.
No it doesn't.
If the university isn't dependent on tuition fees, then the university can kick them out of the program if they aren't performing and not lose anything.
It's when the university is a business and students are simply customers that you get kids taking extended vacations with borrowed money. If everyone else is doing it, they won't see the problem. Meanwhile, the university profits, degrees are devalued and higher education becomes a joke.
Sure! Will you pay professors' salaries and other college expenses, so that my kids can learn there for free?
Stop being cheap, if you want stupid people in this country fine than just come out and say your happy with ignorant people who work crappy mcjobs. Why is it any time someone talks about taxes unless it's going to war or giving large billion dollar companies money they always complain about being taxed. I'd rather pay a little more in taxes and be table to go to college without becoming a pauper get a good degree and get a good job. Isn't that supposed to be the american dream go to school work hard and you'll be able to live confortably that is of course WAS the american dream now it's a joke.
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
You have to wonder why one wouldn't an education free of politics and government meddling?
And one would have to wonder why you would want a nation of indebted young people rather than a nation of happy healthy college students who would be more able to focus on getting good grades instead of taking a business class because the only sector anymore paying good money is the financial sector well that and the medical sector.
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Originally Posted by vvega
No! In fact, after seeing how government subsidies pushed tuition costs to the skies without improving the knowledge and skills of the graduates, I'm against any public funding for higher education. Public funding for foreign students should be criminal.
Government subsidies to colleges have actually been incredibly low that's why the tuition has gotten so high. The more subsidies to schools the lower the tuition costs.
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Originally Posted by Skydive Outlaw
Funding universities with tax dollars is a direct form of welfare to the students that go to college. . . .
Then they graduate and complain about being taxed too much to pay for welfare for people that cannot afford to go to college.
Funny, how that works. Anyone going to a university that is partially funded by state and federal tax dollars is far more of a welfare bum than someone using an EBT card. Especially when you also factor in the financial aid, Pell Grants and government backed, low interest loans.
If college was free you would not have anymore people complaining about the poor going to college and besides the only people i ever hear complaining about poor people going to college are the same people that want to cut funding.
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Originally Posted by vvega
That's exactly the problem. When other people's taxes pay for one's education, getting marketable skills becomes the least important part of the college years.
No actually what happens when you have to go to school and pay a lot for your education your unable to go for what you want and instead have to take a course in management or business. Considering these are the only jobs that actually pay well. You can take classes and be a teacher but teachers don't get paid well. So it's either go into finanance or the medical field.
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Originally Posted by victimofGM
Universities could cut cost by eliminating worthless courses and their professors. I wonder how much sports programs like football & basketball cost schools? I doubt every school's football & basketball program generates a profit.
if anything most schools put more money into those areas because they bring in the most money. Wouldn't have to worry about that though if the schools were properly subsidized.
The reason college has gotten so expensive is the free money concept. I wouldnt expect you to understand. Especially considering the the cost of college has been rising much higher than most other things for quite some time and this isn't a recent phenomenon. But an article said so, so it must be true.
Before government handed out loans to everyone and their dog, the universities made and collected their own loans. There was incentive to keep the cost down, Why raise prices when one cannot collect?
Tuition is 4k one semester government pays, tuition is 4.5 next semester government pays, tuition is 4.8k the next semester and once again government pays. See where this is going?
It's the same reason for the housing bubble which caused prices to sky rocket. Just about anyone who applies gets the money. When will people learn?
I am pretty sure you are referring to the for-profit universities that use student loans, GI education funding, etc....to make a profit and deliver a sub-par education.
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With 147 campuses and more than 60,000 students nationwide, ITT Educational Services (which operates both ITT Tech and the smaller Daniel Webster College) is one of the largest companies in the burgeoning for-profit college industry, which now enrolls up to 13 percent of higher-education students. ITT is also the most profitable of the big industry players: Its revenue has nearly doubled over the past seven years, closing in on $1.3 billion last year, when CEO Kevin Modany's compensation topped $8 million.
To achieve those returns, regulators suspect, ITT has been pushing students to take on financial commitments they can't afford. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is looking into ITT's student loan program, and the Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating how those loans were issued and sold to investors.
This thread is about non-profit, reputable, public universities. Government does not pay a student's tuition. A student can get a grant based on need or a student loan of a moderate interest rate.
Todays Universities are overpriced commie -lib indoctrination centers. We don't need more kids going to them we need kids going out and learning a skill or a trade and going to work with said skill or trade.
Todays Universities are overpriced commie -lib indoctrination centers. We don't need more kids going to them we need kids going out and learning a skill or a trade and going to work with said skill or trade.
People, with anti-education attitudes, should review the history of the Dark Ages. Why would you want us to lower our education standards to that of third world countries?
Diversity is not a strategy by universities. At least their definition of diversity.
Universities are portals of social justice who squash opposing opinion and act as echo research chambers for the government from which all their grant money comes.
Universities charge outrageous tutiion because the government does it best to not mitigate rising costs, just feed them more taxpayer money.
Tuition at state colleges is reasonable. Housing is a major cost though.
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