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Frank: If you are trying to be provocative it is working. Obama needs to be a leader and DO something to stop the terror. Or, at least he can start taking action that shows he is serious. All he does is apologize, downplay the muslim extremists, and criticize christians.
Your entitled to your own foolish opinion but not your own facts.
There was NO SUCH THING as a nation-state known as ISIS that controls a geographic tract of land as large as Arkansas and Tennessee until the dope you voted for twice ran away from Iraq.
And regardless of what his predecessor did, King Obama is responsible for his decisions. I know his lapdog pom pon squad will never hold him accountable for one single thing he does or doesn't do, and that includes you, but history will not be so kind to him. He threw away the Middle East and many innocent people are going to die because of OBAMA's decisions.
It's not really all King Obama's fault. He has no real experience or expertise in these matters and is generally completely clueless when it comes to diplomacy and foreign policy. The people I blame for all these deaths are the folks that elected Obama twice.
There was no such thing as ISIS until we knocked off the stable government of Iraq and set up a pro-Shiite corrupt joke of a government that allowed Shiite militias to slaughter Sunnis.
The former Iraqi foreign minister said it himself, they (the Iraqi government) had every opportunity to reform the government and put a stop to the Shiite militias and they failed to do so. His own words: "We essentially created ISIS."
Before the invasion of Iraq and in the earliest stages of the occupation, the neocon nutters of the Bush Administration were warned, repeatedly, about the problems that would arise between Sunnis and Shiites, those warnings were dismissed.
The formation of ISIS is not a mystery. It came about due to the fact that we created and then propped up a pro-Shiite government that let Shiite militias run wild over the country. ISIS military success can largely be attributed to the pool of experienced military commanders it could draw from thanks to the fact that the Bush administration stupidly dissolved the Iraqi armed forces after we took over the country. And when we supposedly "won" thanks to the surge, we actually just let Shiite militias go on murdering Sunnis while paying off Sunni militias to stay out of the fight (money they used to better arm themselves).
If the war was "won" then surely the Iraqi Army, after a decade and billions of dollars thrown at it would have been trained well enough to actually fight against a much smaller and lesser-armed force instead of collapsing and running away when facing a vastly inferior force.
The war was never won. The Sunnis were kept at bay due to 1) the massive American military presence on the ground 2) by paying off of Sunni militias to stay out of the fight and 3) the effectiveness of murderous Shiite militias who operated under the umbrella of American protection. What has happened in Iraq was going to happen no matter what just as soon as the US forces became disengaged barring any political solution by the corrupt Iraqi government, which would have been highly unlikely as we never put any real pressure on the Iraqi government to come to terms with Sunnis and we didn't force a change in the Iraqi government until it was already too late.
You have no facts. You just regurgitate far right nutter talking points. The bottom line is this never would have happened if the idiot Bush administration, supported, then and still, by slavish sycophants, thought it would be just a great idea to invade the country and knock off a government that had effectively kept terrorists at bay.
The bottom line is this never would have happened if the idiot Bush administration, supported, then and still, by slavish sycophants, thought it would be just a great idea to invade the country and knock off a government that had effectively kept terrorists at bay.
Bush had no way of knowing his successor would be as big of an IDIOT as King Obama was. Bush should have negotiated the SOFA himself before leaving office, but I don't fault him for thinking his successor could do it. Anyone not named Obama could have done it, that's how routine and easy it would have been for anyone mildly engaged to accomplish the task. But no, lazy King Obama who never had more than a passing interest in things like national security, couldn't even be bothered to invest some effort into that.
And why should he? He knows that there are millions of fawning sycophants like you who will insulate him from any criticism by perpetually deflecting from King Obama's failure by bleating out the words "B-b-b-b-b-but B-b-b-b-b-b-ush" for the rest of your natural lives.
In fact, if the zombie apocalypse comes, I am quite confident that the zombie you turn into, Votre_Chef, will continue to bleat out "b-b-b-b-b-but B-b-b-b-b-b-ush" until your corpse's vocal chords and tongue fall off from rot or liquefy.
Bush had no way of knowing his successor would be as big of an IDIOT as King Obama was. Bush should have negotiated the SOFA himself before leaving office, but I don't fault him for thinking his successor could do it. Anyone not named Obama could have done it, that's how routine and easy it would have been for anyone mildly engaged to accomplish the task. But no, lazy King Obama who never had more than a passing interest in things like national security, couldn't even be bothered to invest some effort into that.
And why should he? He knows that there are millions of fawning sycophants like you who will insulate him from any criticism by perpetually deflecting from King Obama's failure by bleating out the words "B-b-b-b-b-but B-b-b-b-b-b-ush" for the rest of your natural lives.
In fact, if the zombie apocalypse comes, I am quite confident that the zombie you turn into, Votre_Chef, will continue to bleat out "b-b-b-b-b-but B-b-b-b-b-b-ush" until your corpse's vocal chords and tongue fall off from rot or liquefy.
Yeah, Bush invaded the country, so it's 100% his fault.
You claim the GOP is for personal responsibility. Try taking some.
I'm no Obama sycophant, I can barely tolerate the guy. But he's a major improvement over the moron who thought it was a swell idea to invade Iraq and the morons who continue to insist that was a good idea in spite of having exactly zero evidence to back that up.
Thank God there is no Idiotic Republican in office right now. Otherwise there would 100,000 troops in Iraq, 100,000 in Libya, and 100,000 in Syria. The war mongers of the Republican party for once cannot get their way and here they are whining. I am so disgusted with Republicans. Let those countries fight their own war. We can give them arms but no way should there be troops on the ground.
Yeah, Bush invaded the country, so it's 100% his fault.
You claim the GOP is for personal responsibility. Try taking some.
I'm no Obama sycophant, I can barely tolerate the guy. But he's a major improvement over the moron who thought it was a swell idea to invade Iraq and the morons who continue to insist that was a good idea in spite of having exactly zero evidence to back that up.
So, Bush is 100% responsible for everything that happens in Iraq, and Obama has 0% responsibility despite being President for the last 6 years. And it's the GOP that needs to "take responsibility"? Your hubris is remarkable, are you even cognizant of how ridiculous you are?
All I can say is this: there is no point in having any discussion with you - you cannot discuss the issue rationally. You may return to your Obama poster and the lubricant of your choice.
So, Bush is 100% responsible for everything that happens in Iraq, and Obama has 0% responsibility despite being President for the last 6 years. And it's the GOP that needs to "take responsibility"? Your hubris is remarkable, are you even cognizant of how ridiculous you are?
Yes, pretty much.
Only a complete GOP kool aid drinker would fail to see that. All of these problems are from invading the country in the first place. None of this would have happened if we hadn't done that. So yeah, take some responsibility for the invasion you still think was just a swell idea. Like Colin Powell's "Pottery Barn" rule: You broke it, you bought it.
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Originally Posted by Trace21230
All I can say is this: there is no point in having any discussion with you - you cannot discuss the issue rationally. You may return to your Obama poster and the lubricant of your choice.
You're right, because all you can do is repeat, nearly verbatim, right wing talking points you weren't smart enough to come up with yourself and you lack the intellectual ability to actually come up with some facts to support your contentions. So by all means, run away, you're out of talking points to regurgitate, there's nothing left in your gas tank.
There will be a debate in congress relative to expanding US involvement, that is how it should be. Obama has also asked to rescind the 2002 act authorizing the invasion of Iraq under the War Powers Act but to retain the 2001 authorization to hunt down those responsible for 9-11. Lacking a true emergency (not a contrived excuse) that requires that we send forces into another country it should only be with approval by congress, hopefully this debate will be more meaningful than the 2002 debate on the Iraq invasion.
"A spokesman for the Armed Forces General Command announced the strikes on state radio Monday, marking the first time Cairo has publicly acknowledged taking military action in neighboring Libya, where extremist groups seen as a threat to both countries have taken root in recent years. The statement said the warplanes targeted weapons caches and training camps before returning safely. It said the strikes were "to avenge the bloodshed and to seek retribution from the killers.""
US conducts 2000 airstrikes againt ISIS = US does nothing to fight ISIS
Egypt conducts 2 strikes = finally someone is taking a stand aginst ISIS
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