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Old 02-17-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Why are you so intent of letting the bus driver off the hook? In a court of law, the bus driver is liable for negligence, if not criminally, if his conduct was intentional.
If you were on the jury and evidence was presented that there was an erroneous sign indicating that a road crossed the ditch and that the passengers were yelling there was a road over the ditch and the previous bus driver told the driver there was a road over the ditch, would you convict him?
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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If you were on the jury and evidence was presented that there was an erroneous sign indicating that a road crossed the ditch and that the passengers were yelling there was a road over the ditch and the previous bus driver told the driver there was a road over the ditch, would you convict him?

In answer to you hypothetical, yes I would easily convict the driver. Why? Because he was still the bus driver when he drove the bus into the ditch and the ditch was clearly visible. Regardless if he was given wrong information, it was his duty to investigate the road and drive with caution as he took on that responsibility when he became the bus driver. If he was not prepared to drive the bus or take the responsibility, he should not have become the bus driver.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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You need to review your recent history. Bush administration officials, like Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld would insinuate that Iraq was responsible for 9-11 then back off than reinsinuate it and that happened over and over again.

As far as the allegations of Hussein being a thug and violating UN resolutions were all true except those allegations did not justify war....thousands of dead Americans.
Yet you keep IGNORING all the evidence, some shown on here, that Clinton and his ENTIRE administration and Most of the top dem leaders in Congress TO include the DEM Senate Majority leader CO-sponsored the bill AND has been pointed out that the SML can KILL ANY BILL HE WANTS just like reid has killed about 340 bills.the House MINORITY Leader co-sponsored.

Clinton even said he SUPPORTED Bush.

The ONLY thing any of you and yours come back with is "Bush lied about WMD".

Not a one single word on the other issue in the resolution.

I have posted over and over the Senate list of top Dems who voted for the bill and have asked, "how many did YOU support or vote for? And Bden TWICE?

And you know NOT ONE of those HAS RESPONDED.
So I will ask YOU. Out of the list how many dems have you supported? How many did YOU vote for?
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I never supported it because there was absolutely no justification for it....Iraq and Iraqis had nothing to do with it. A bad decision usually has bad results and that's what we have here.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I believed my government. Sounds like something from the other side in 1914-1918 or 1939-1945 or anywhere anytime really.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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In answer to you hypothetical, yes I would easily convict the driver. Why? Because he was still the bus driver when he drove the bus into the ditch and the ditch was clearly visible. Regardless if he was given wrong information, it was his duty to investigate the road and drive with caution as he took on that responsibility when he became the bus driver. If he was not prepared to drive the bus or take the responsibility, he should not have become the bus driver.
The ditch was not clearly visible. As a matter of fact most people who looked at it believed the shadows cast by the trees that night made it look like a bridge went over the ditch.

What this shows is that you always want someone to blame, and you love pointing the finger at your enemy.

Luckily, most decent lawyers who spot that and remove you from the jury pool.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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The ditch was not clearly visible. As a matter of fact most people who looked at it believed the shadows cast by the trees that night made it look like a bridge went over the ditch.

What this shows is that you always want someone to blame, and you love pointing the finger at your enemy.

Luckily, most decent lawyers who spot that and remove you from the jury pool.
So, in other words, if the bus driver had bad eyesight he is off the hook?
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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So, in other words, if the bus driver had bad eyesight he is off the hook?
It wasn't bad eyesight it was a whole bunch of bad information along with an optical illusion.

The people on the bus thought there was a bridge, the previous bus driver thought there was a bridge, even the person who makes the maps and puts up the signs thought there was a bridge. Additionally, when the bus driver asked the people on the bus to vote as to whether there was a bridge, the vote was a yes, and they said "turn".
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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So, in other words, if the bus driver had bad eyesight he is off the hook?
Yes, I'm getting the impression that it's Clinton's fault because the Bush administration wasn't competent to gather and sort decent intelligence. This guy is desperate to pretend Bush's statements about Iraq in 2002 don't matter because of things other people said years earlier, statements which may or may not have been true when spoken, but weren't relevant when Bush was making his false claims.
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The ONLY thing any of you and yours come back with is "Bush lied about WMD".
Don't forget "and is also a torturing scumbag". Pointing out that he's a liar isn't the only criticism your torturer earned.


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I have posted over and over the Senate list of top Dems who voted for the bill and have asked, "how many did YOU support or vote for? And Bden TWICE?
None. But if I said "all", would that make Bush's lies true? Of course not. Stop trying to pretend the Bush Administration isn't to blame for its own actions in this.
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