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Well first you have to specify which "brand of Muslim" you think ISIS is. And what "brand of Muslim" even means.
I'll assume you meant Sunni, and I would respond with: Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan. Kazakstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Morocco, Western Sahara, Mauritania, Senegal, Gambia, Jordan, Turkey, Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia.
In fact over 60% of Muslims live in Asia, and while they have some problems, they are minimal outside of Pakistan. We're talking about a subset of a subset.
No, I mean the "brand" that believes they must spread their faith by the sword and eradicate "infidels."
Long video but important. A lot of information in this video.
She is pointing out the obvious. Do you think the ISIS fighters are leaving highly paid jobs to join ISIS? No, they join because they get paid. Some have other motivations, like adventure, or religious fanatism, but most would stay home if they were happy there. This is the same discussion people had 10 years ago, when foreign fighters were pouring into Iraq to join Al Qaeda. They said they would not come if they had opportunities at home. It's obvious. Not much we can do about it though.
Then what exactly are you asking? The ones that believe that are probably violent. The ones that don't are the 99.9% of the rest of all Muslims.
Agreed. I was saying they are violent because they believe that and where you find people that believe that, they are violent. I was saying there are plenty of poor people (Muslim or otherwise) that don't believe that and are not violent, but those with this belief tend to be violent as a result.
Okay, so when it's the poor Muslim's of this sect doing it, it's because they're poor, and when it's not the poor, it's just because they're the worst? We can't consider the common thread that's running through the wealthy and the poor doing the same thing?
I can show plenty of places full of poor people not acting this way. Can you show me groups full of people with the same religious beliefs that aren't - not Muslim, this brand of Muslim?
As Grsz11 says "What brand of Muslim are you referring to"?
Are these folks radical? Of course they are. That's one of the things economic desperation does is RADICALIZE PEOPLE. That's what happened with the German people when they were desperate too. It especially happens with the leadership (though there ARE leaders who may not even necessarily BE "true believers" - just USERS of "true believers") but it's also true of the followers.
Plenty of decent Muslims out there who are not radicalized. A recent poll found that just 3% of Egyptians had a favorable view of ISIS - even if they don't particularly like the U.S. Even in Saudi Arabia - the nation with the most popular support of ISIS - that number was only about 5%. Again, this doesn't mean they like the U.S. or support the U.S. being in the Middle East, but they certainly don't like ISIS - even if they share many of the economic frustrations that the ISIS fighters do.
Keep in mind though that even with those small percentages, it represents a LOT of potential fighters.
As the State Dept spokeswoman said, the REAL answer is not really beating ISIS in COMBAT - because the basic root problem will still be there - it's getting rid of the grinding poverty that affects so much of the region. Now, mind you I am NOT saying "it's OUR responsibility to do that" - just that THAT is the ultimate (and only REAL) solution to the problem. I know that many folks here disagree with the spokeswomans' assessment, but the fact is SHE IS RIGHT. This is NOT an easy problem to fix. It's not like simply defeating a nation on the battlefield. This is a war of IDEAS and a battle against endemic and systemic poverty. Such struggles can be far longer and far more costly so the problem is not going away anytime soon.
As the State Dept spokeswoman said, the REAL answer is not really beating ISIS in COMBAT - because the basic root problem will still be there - it's getting rid of the grinding poverty that affects so much of the region.
Agreed. I was saying they are violent because they believe that and where you find people that believe that, they are violent. I was saying there are plenty of poor people (Muslim or otherwise) that don't believe that and are not violent, but those with this belief tend to be violent as a result.
Its a cause and effect. Certain groups are susceptible to radicalization in any religion. So its not that poor = terrorist, but that poor opens the door for radical which can lead to terrorist.
Obama pontificating now. Hopes to solve today's terrorism by advocating that the world become more Disneylike in the far distant future.
Problem solved!!!
Where is that nobel preace prize? Obama needs another for this historic speech motivating the world and achieving peace.....if only in his mind.
He doesn't know where the next terrorist will come from.
next thing you know they'll be touting midnight basketball.
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