Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The headline writer shouldn't have used the word 'invasion' because it lets the simpletons focus on that word alone, rather than the content of the article.
The 'invasion' isn't a D-Day or flotilla floating across the sea.
The article is a complete mess. 5000 deployable soldiers, F-35 purchase, terrorists sneaking in among refugees. It's not as if the latter isn't a problem, but it's not one that's best countered by conventional military means - means that the Italian armed forces do possess, and quite nicely.
The idea of ISIS holding territory in a modern country is ludicrous.
I think isis is looking to a fourth crusade. Europe is definitely a goal. The only country that really has the military and fortitude to stand up to any kind of invasion is Germany.
"No one"!? You're kidding right. I would say 75% of the conservative users here can't/don't separate jihadism and Islam. We see there disgusting posts every day and if you don't, then you aren't paying attention. I could call them out by name, and they wouldn't deny it, but I would probably be blocked.
and 99% of the fascist liberals cant figure out that the religion of orthodox islam DEMANDS convert or die
let's see.....
you have peaceful WESTERNIZED Muslims
then you have the orthodox Sunni's..... who are a major part of the extremists
then you have the super extremists.......
meanwhile Muslim is the 2ndbiggest religion in the world, and nearing 1st.....and Sunni (orthodox) is the biggest part of the Muslim religion.....extreme, especially under sharia law...believe in stoning of women.....push for everyone to convert....or die
what is going on is the start of the next crusades ......just like back in the 900's and the early middle ages.... they are pushing for world wide conversion .....and they are extreme
what the orthodox extremists Sunni's say:
Quote:
Quote:
Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran
Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down - hence abrogating what came before, which includes the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -"Let there be no compulsion in religion...".
Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..." Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as salat and zakat. See below. Islam sanctions violence as a means of coercing religion.
Qur'an (9:11) - (Continued from above) "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion" This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam.
Quran (9:56-57) - "And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you). If they could find a refuge or cave or a place to enter into, they would certainly have turned thereto, running away in all haste." This refers to people living among Muhammad's own people who may not be true believers, but have to pretend to be in order to survive. They have no safe refuge to which to escape the Muslims. If Islam were a religion of peace, then why the fear?
Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."
Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking a religion other than Allah's, when every soul in the heavens and the earth has sub mitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?" So much for the earlier verse (2:256) stating that there is "no compulsion in religion".
From the Hadith:
Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat." The first part of this condition is the Shahada, or profession of faith in Islam. Violence is sanctioned until the victims embrace Muhammad's religion.
Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"
Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
Bukhari (60:80) - "The Verse:--'You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.' means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam."
Bukhari (60:40) - "...:And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah)." 'Affliction' of Muslims is explicitly defined here being a condition in which others worship a different god other than Allah. Muslims are commanded to use violence to 'rectify' the situation.
Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!" Words of a military leader that Muhammad sent on an expedition with the mission of destroying a local religion in Yemen.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959 - Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. The text goes on to say that Khalid taught the al-Harith about Islam after their "conversion," proving that it was based on fear of slaughter rather than a free and intelligent decision.
Ibn Kathir (Commenting on Quran 2:256, which says "let there be no compulsion in religion") - "Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the jizya, they should be fought till they are killed."
its not about fear......its a risk assessment
isis has even said that sunni Saudi Arabia is ''too westernized ''
sunnis(orthodox islamics ) have a large population in turkey, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, boznia, chad, Cyprus , Djibouti , Egypt, Ethiopia , Gambia, guinea , iran, Iraq, Jordan , Kosovo , Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan , Lebanon, Libya , morocco , oman, Pakistan, the gaza strip, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, somolia, sudan, sierra Leone , Syria, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkmenistan , UAE, yeman
this isn't about the USA being involved in the middle east....its about an extremist religion trying to ''convert the world''
Really? #72 is an argument over it.
It happens in other threads too -- posters saying "stop generalizing to all Muslims" even when no one did. It's even mentioned in the news. If you haven't noticed it at all, I'm wasting my time trying to show you.
1. No, the Nazis were not all Christians. Their leader was agnostic by most accounts, dabbled in the occult, and used the church for political reasons, not religious ones; in fact hoped to destroy the church once it had served its use.
2. No one is suggesting we paint all Muslims with a broad brush as the enemy; why do leftists always jump to this stupid conclusion? Simply admit the truth that ISIS, the movement, is Islamic, is radical Islam... and leave it at that. Has absolutely nothing to do with "all Muslims." Read that article in The Atlantic.
How about from Hitler's own most accounts?
A quote from Hitler: 'Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Really? #72 is an argument over it.
It happens in other threads too -- posters saying "stop generalizing to all Muslims" even when no one did. It's even mentioned in the news. If you haven't noticed it at all, I'm wasting my time trying to show you.
The poster in #72 agreed with you that Isis is Islamic. Even if the poster in #72 generalized they do NOT represent the group you label as "leftists". To paint all "leftists" (whoever they are) with what the poster said in #72 is painting with the broad brush.
How about from Hitler's own most accounts?
A quote from Hitler: 'Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Good gawd. This topic is like beating a dead horse here.
Try reading the ENTIRE section on Wikipedia of Hitler's religious views - and lack of them. Read the historians' summaries, instead of cherry-picking quotes you like. Then you might learn something. I have studied this topic extensively... in addition to having family in that part of the world that he tried to kill. I'm first generation American because of all that. This is hardly an unfamiliar topic to me, so please don't treat it as such.
Good gawd. This topic is like beating a dead horse here.
Try reading the ENTIRE section on Wikipedia of Hitler's religious views - and lack of them. Read the historians' summaries, instead of cherry-picking quotes you like. Then you might learn something. I have studied this topic extensively... in addition to having family in that part of the world that he tried to kill. I'm first generation American because of all that. This is hardly an unfamiliar topic to me, so please don't treat it as such.
Can you provide a quote where Hitler denounces religion? I can't. In fact, Hitler's religious views, based on his quotes, are frighteningly similar to that of ISIS!
Quote:
September 1, 1939 — Germany invades Poland, beginning World War II
"As Fuehrer of the German people and Chancellor of the Reich, I can thank God at this moment that he has so wonderfully blessed us in our hard struggle for what is our right, and beg Him that we and all other nations may find the right way, so that not only the German people but all Europe may once more be granted the blessing of peace."
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
