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Old 02-27-2015, 02:37 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
It gives more to corporations.
Show us the budget items that prove it.

Here's the pie chart. Where are the trillions of dollars for corporations:


 
Old 02-27-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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If I take $10 from you and then hand $2 back, am I giving you $2 or taking $8?
Exactly, but that's a very hard concept for many to understand.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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Please share your hospitals success story. Considering that Medicare pays about 80% the rate of a PHI, just a little above Medicaid, and you are able to run a 15-20% profit which would be a 35-40% profit rate using PHI alone which is around 700%-1400% more then the average hospital as per Medicare which puts the national average at a little over 2% (2003).
Medicare outpatient fees are where the bulk of our profits lie. This includes all sorts of outpatient procedures, testing and facility fees. 5 years ago the hospital bought all our medical groups ancillary facilities and equipment in order to capture more local patients, mainly Medicare. We get good money when we can with conventional payers, but the bulk of our moneys are in Medicare. Being an efficiently run rural hospital with a local monopoly in a retirement community helps our hospital continue as the proverbial cash cow for whatever entity has owned us over the years.

Here are some fairly recent but incomplete numbers.

American Hospital Directory - Notice, Disclaimer & Agreement
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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Exactly, but that's a very hard concept for many to understand.
Especially if you leave out central new money creation.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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....no they aren't.

Federally "funded" services cannot go bankrupt.

Ask Greece how that worked out...
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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Ask Greece how that worked out...
Greece does NOT issue its own currency.

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If I take $10 from you and then hand $2 back, am I giving you $2 or taking $8?
The analogy is fallacious.

The government giving you $2 has nothing to do with the $10 it took. The government can give you $2 whether it takes $10 or $0.

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Show us the budget items that prove it.

Here's the pie chart. Where are the trillions of dollars for corporations:
The welfare spending on housing and food stamps going to minimum wage workers.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:41 PM
 
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Medicare outpatient fees are where the bulk of our profits lie. This includes all sorts of outpatient procedures, testing and facility fees. 5 years ago the hospital bought all our medical groups ancillary facilities and equipment in order to capture more local patients, mainly Medicare. We get good money when we can with conventional payers, but the bulk of our moneys are in Medicare. Being an efficiently run rural hospital with a local monopoly in a retirement community helps our hospital continue as the proverbial cash cow for whatever entity has owned us over the years.

Here are some fairly recent but incomplete numbers.

American Hospital Directory - Notice, Disclaimer & Agreement
the federal govt kicks back rural hospitals X millions per hospital.

It's hard to tell the specifics. Plus Medicare provides what's called "pass through" kick backs to keep surgical services functioning.

So without knowing the specifics of each hospital. It's hard to tell how well a hospital is doing once you remove the federal additional money that non rural, non indigent hospital do not get.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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Especially if you leave out central new money creation.
Which benefits American workers and retirees by causing their $24 trillion worth of pension/retirement investment assets to appreciate in value.

Retirement Question 4 | EBRI
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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The welfare spending on housing and food stamps going to minimum wage workers.
Those corporations are being paid for services and products rendered. The government isn't giving them money for nothing like they do with all the public assistance program spending on unproductive and non-contributing adults and their dependents.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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Those corporations are being paid for services and products rendered. The government isn't giving them money for nothing like they do with all the public assistance program spending on unproductive and non-contributing adults and their dependents.
So... tax breaks, loopholes and not raising the minimum wage (so that your employees qualify for food stamps) don't count as corporate welfare?
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