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Do you support Muslims? Muslims do not fraternize with Jews or Christians. It is against their "holy book." They consider both, "pigs."
Uh yes they do, lol. They are considered "Peoples of the book". While they are considered lost due to not accepting the truth faith of Islam they are to be treated well. You only need to look at early Islamic governments which had many Christians and Jews in them to realize your assertion is incorrect.
Yes, sadly we have put the tools in place for government to enforce individuals to do what the government thinks is right. Let us just hope government does not abuse this power as they have in the past.
Not being able to practice your faith while owning a business is a gross interference from society.
Being able to practice your faith and discriminating against other people is a gross injustice. There is absolutely nothing in Christianity that states you should only support heterosexual marriage. What you have are people not comfortable with the idea of it using religion as a shield.
Being able to practice your faith and discriminating against other people is a gross injustice. There is absolutely nothing in Christianity that states you should only support heterosexual marriage. What you have are people not comfortable with the idea of it using religion as a shield.
Your opinion does not agree with the Pope's whose opinion has a bit more influence than yours on religious matters.
Having said that I totally support gay marriage. Gays should have equal protection under the law and I believe they are fully covered by the 14th Amendment.
What we are talking about here is not government discriminating which is wrong and should be prohibited but businesses discriminating which is wrong and should not be prohibited except in rare cases. I certainly believe the state has a compelling interest to insure no one is discriminated against when it comes to emergency medical care. What I do not believe is someone's need for a cake trumps another's right of association, property rights and freedom of religion. Even if HWC, or even myself, thinks they are practicing their faith wrongly.
Your opinion does not agree with the Pope's whose opinion has a bit more influence than yours on religious matters.
And? Why would I care if it does?.
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Having said that I totally support gay marriage. Gays should have equal protection under the law and I believe they are fully covered by the 14th Amendment.
What we are talking about here is not government discriminating which is wrong and should be prohibited but businesses discriminating which is wrong and should not be prohibited except in rare cases. I certainly believe the state has a compelling interest to insure no one is discriminated against when it comes to emergency medical care. What I do not believe is someone's need for a cake trumps another's right of association, property rights and freedom of religion. Even if HWC, or even myself, thinks they are practicing their faith wrongly.
Freedoms enshrined in the constitution have limits. When your freedoms deny other people rights then there is a problem.
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The court's decisions have been wrong, in my opinion, because they have violated the right to free exercise, forcing a person to participate in (or be a party to) what they believe (and the Bible tells us) is sin.
But everybody is a sinner. Where does the bigoted Christian businessman draw the line. Is an atheist a less sinful person than a homosexual and so is acceptable for a customer?
BOTTOM LINE - It's about Freedom of Choice in America, PERIOD.
No business owner should EVER be made, ordered, told to service anything, anyone the business owner deems Unfit, and/or does not agree with. But, that's what these EVIL Corrupt Judges trying to Rip apart....Namely, The Fabric of America, with their Corrupt Rulings on these issues.
America is Certainly, about done, TOAST, buried and dead. Not long now, IMO.
So in an ideal world a business person should have the right to discriminate against anybody?
In another world (maybe Bay City, maybe Somerset) Bill and his lovely fiance' Lennie are life members and supporters of the NRA. They're going to get married and the hundreds of names on their invite list are all 'concealed carry' members of the NRA as well. The wedding - humorously - is being called a 'shotgun wedding'. That is, with a 'Best Man' dressed as a jail guard and a 'Matron of Honor' dressed like Queen Latifa in 'Chicago'. Just to highlight the humor, the Groom will be in handcuffs. Most of the guests will be carrying 'concealed backup' - which might be bottles of 'Old No.7'.
So Bill and Lennie went to a well known 'artsy fartsy' gay fantasy bake shop to have a humorous cake and other treats and decor prepared for their day of celebration. After a presentation of product and costs, and price agreed, the 'artsy fartsy' bake shop backs out of the deal after hearing details of the couple's proposed decor alluding to Constitutional rights and privileges, paticularly gun ownership, free speech, and religious freedom, and that the wedding and reception would be held at a local gun range.
What should Bill and Lennie do? Find a different baker for their event? Sue the baker for backing out after the 'closely held' details of the event were revealed? Threaten the baker at gun point? Have some of their politically well connected friends create cause for the baker to go bankrupt?
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What makes you think that just because someone is gay they wouldn't be pro 2nd Amendment? I'm gay, me and most all my friends have guns.
What makes you think that just because someone is gay they wouldn't be pro 2nd Amendment? I'm gay, me and most all my friends have guns.
Gays with guns?
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