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America is being destroyed by you Marxists and paper shuffling career bureaucrats. You guys are Statists, you always start your arguments with this same bull**** about Big Corporations, Big Oil but I never hear you Big Government drones criticize the current Administration.
What did he say that's Marxist?
And, in America, the state and big business are basically the same. They rely on each other. Criticizing big oil or large corporations is the exact same thing as criticizing the state.
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Under fascism the state controls businesses, not businesses controlling the state. People like you are the true fascists.
Is there really a difference here though? What we have is basically fascism. If you don't feel comfortable using the word, you can call it corporatism. But is that actually better? Is there any difference between the state controlling business and business controlling the state?
Also, did he suggest anything that sounded fascist to you? Criticizing current ideas is not the same thing as offering a solution. To say his solution is fascist without him giving a solution doesn't really make any sense, does it?
And, in America, the state and big business are basically the same. They rely on each other. Criticizing big oil or large corporations is the exact same thing as criticizing the state.
Is there really a difference here though? What we have is basically fascism. If you don't feel comfortable using the word, you can call it corporatism. But is that actually better? Is there any difference between the state controlling business and business controlling the state?
Also, did he suggest anything that sounded fascist to you? Criticizing current ideas is not the same thing as offering a solution. To say his solution is fascist without him giving a solution doesn't really make any sense, does it?
Exactly-Big Business and Big Government are the same-they have the same interests and work together.
Our Government serves to enrich well-connected nation-less corporations, with no allegience to any nation or people.
Under fascism the state controls businesses, not businesses controlling the state. People like you are the true fascists.
Your statement is a personal attack on the OP. That's unacceptable in a forum where only the ignorant call names and fail to refute the OPs opinions with solid facts. The OP had some solid concerns.
In WW 2 it was our untouched industrial capabilities that gave us the edge. We were able to field 25 Sherman tanks for every Tiger tank that the Germans had. The OP has a concern that we can't do that now.
Before Sandra Day O'Connor retired she warned that it is a long road to Fascism that we should avoid. When a public official expresses that kind of concern with no personal agenda, there must be some substance.
America is being destroyed by you Marxists and paper shuffling career bureaucrats. You guys are Statists, you always start your arguments with this same bull**** about Big Corporations, Big Oil but I never hear you Big Government drones criticize the current Administration.
Was going to war in Iraq a second time something that put our economy on a firm economic footing?
The difference between forty years ago (when you stopped having new thoughts) and today is that these corporations went from American corporations to multinational corporations. Somewhere along the line the American middle class became less relevant to the health of these companies.
What do you know about fascism?
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Feldman and Mason argue that fascism is distinguished by an absence of coherent economic ideology and an absence of serious economic thinking. Fascism operated from a Social Darwinist view of human relations. The aim was to promote superior individuals and weed out the weak. In terms of economic practice, this meant promoting the interests of successful businessmen while destroying trade unions and other organizations of the working class
You make some good points and here are what I've recently uncovered about Fascism:
1. Mussolini was the ideological father of Fascism. Everything else is a dialect of his manifesto.
2. Fascism looks to nationalism as a positive force and rejects Socialism because of its international nature.
3. Fascism in Italy outlawed strikes and lockouts.
4. Fascism rejects other forms of government and economic systems.
5. Mussolini rejected the older definition of liberalism because it emphasizes the individual.
6. Fascism rejects class warfare because all individuals existed equally for the good of the state.
7. Fascism rejects majority rule and pacifism.
8. Fascism adopted a state directed economy and nationalized defense industries.
9. Mussolini was a Socialist before he was a Fascist and he incorporated some socialist doctrine in his brand of Fascism.
The state controlling businesses would be communism. The state working with businesses like oh say making citizens buy a product from said business would be fascism.
Of course making a business pay someone they employ $2 bucks an hour is just plain evil isn't it?
wrong, the state controlling business is fascism, the state owning business is communism.
Your premise is wrong, and in order for there to be tax payers to "take up the slack" there must be people with jobs, good jobs, to pay those taxes.
What if big business sees the American middle class as a secondary market. We have three hundred million. China and India combined have 2.5 billion. If they are in the process of developing those markets, we are small potatoes.
wrong, the state controlling business is fascism, the state owning business is communism.
Actually the state owning businesses is socialism. Communism is an ideal utopia envisioned by Marx where the state has withered away and individuals voluntarily work for the common good.
You make some good points and here are what I've recently uncovered about Fascism:
1. Mussolini was the ideological father of Fascism. Everything else is a dialect of his manifesto.
2. Fascism looks to nationalism as a positive force and rejects Socialism because of its international nature.
3. Fascism in Italy outlawed strikes and lockouts.
4. Fascism rejects other forms of government and economic systems.
5. Mussolini rejected the older definition of liberalism because it emphasizes the individual.
6. Fascism rejects class warfare because all individuals existed equally for the good of the state.
7. Fascism rejects majority rule and pacifism.
8. Fascism adopted a state directed economy and nationalized defense industries.
9. Mussolini was a Socialist before he was a Fascist and he incorporated some socialist doctrine in his brand of Fascism.
Basically, as Mises stated, socialism in one country. With one major tweek. Mussolini realized government bureaucrats were not capable of producing goods efficiently but pretty good at stealing goods.
Your statement is a personal attack on the OP. That's unacceptable in a forum where only the ignorant call names and fail to refute the OPs opinions with solid facts. The OP had some solid concerns.
In WW 2 it was our untouched industrial capabilities that gave us the edge. We were able to field 25 Sherman tanks for every Tiger tank that the Germans had. The OP has a concern that we can't do that now.
Before Sandra Day O'Connor retired she warned that it is a long road to Fascism that we should avoid. When a public official expresses that kind of concern with no personal agenda, there must be some substance.
You get to facism by increasing government control over the economy. Obamacare is a huge step toward a fascist state. That road might be shorter than Sandy envisioned.
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And you corporatists always call us commies
