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Old 02-23-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Exactly. Giuliani is a moderate by anyone's standards. But he loves America, which is what sets him apart from today's liberals.
If he loved America so much why did he avoid the draft.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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Here's now anyone rational disputes it:

1. Saying someone "doesn't love you/me/his country" because he doesn't agree with your right-wing comments is juvenile nonsense.

2. International diplomacy is not a Dirty Harry movie. And invading Russia right now is probably not a good idea.
Uh, no. Calling something juvenile nonsense isn't a rational rebuttal. Using a strawman argument like "invading Russia" isn't a rational rebuttal. Providing counterarguments and evidence contrary to the content of the speech would be how someone rational disputes it. Your ad hominem and logical fallacy are not rational responses.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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All childish damage control being attempted by a loser.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I don't disregard what you've said out of hand, nor do I even necessarily disagree with it.

However, when it comes to King Obama, the issue isn't just his non-interventionism. There is a mountain of evidence that points to his anti-Americanism and it goes back to the 20 plus years he spent in Jeremiah Wright's church.

It's a pity the media never bothered to properly vet him.
Shall we open up a debate about all of the candidates religious beliefs, such as denying evolution, and use that as a measure of patriotism?
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:33 PM
 
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Give him credit for one thing though, and that's shining a light without having a dog in the hunt.
What he's done is called pandering to the ignorant. He shined a light at a cave and told people there is a UFO in it. And those people believe him because they also thought there is a UFO in the cave. He is taking advantage of very stupid people but I guess it's actually none of my business how dumb some people are in the Republican party.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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Well if thats true he still has a lot to learn from Obama's good friend and mentor minister of Love Jeremiah Wright.."Dam America"!!!...ah yes such love....
Only a very ignorant person can make that statement.

When Obama actually doesn't know Wright all that well and in reality he didn't attend church all that often.

But let's not get facts in the way of a good dumb statement, shall we?
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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I guess that folks keep forgetting that Obama won both elections. Giuliani won nothing.

So whether or not Obama loves America, you're stuck with him. Deal with it.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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Shall we open up a debate about all of the candidates religious beliefs, such as denying evolution, and use that as a measure of patriotism?
Go for it!
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Sean Hannity from Fox News was on a typical rant today on his radio show about this .....wish he'd read Politifact.com on a daily basis to get his **** straight.


Giuliani claimed that Obama said "that American exceptionalism is no more exceptional than the exceptionalism of any other country."

In a response in which he repeatedly praised American exceptionalism and what it has offered the world, Obama also said, "I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." That is a pretty obvious and benign statement, and it’s hardly the same as Obama putting his opinion of American exceptionalism on the same level as Greek exceptionalism, as his full remarks show.

We rate Giuliani’s claim False.



http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...can-exception/
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Old 02-23-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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Rudy needs to get better fitting dentures. Watching him speak is unpleasant.
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