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Old 02-24-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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The courts are not the legislating body prescribed by the Constitution.

Playing politics is attaching funding for amnesty to a DHS bill, no?

Why is amnesty for illegals so important to you?

Did you cross the border illegally or do you simply want to dilute the votes and paychecks of working Americans?




Leaving it to the Court at this point would run the risk of Law essentially being created between the Executive and Judicial Branches...........

......not what The "Law of the Land" calls for.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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How many times do we have to go through these kinds of things before we realize its going to mean nothing just like every time before?



There is that to strongly consider.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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What happens if DHS shuts down? - CNN.com

To make a long story short, a DHS shutdown would affect very few employees. Looks like about 15%. Since a stay has been ordered on the EO, and since the DHS would keep on running, although slightly shorthanded, do you think the Republicans should stop playing politics and drop the rider to the funding bill?
No one gets paid yet they have to work.

Not conducive to moral of those, which is at rock bottom, whose job is to enforce laws.

The stay should force a CR.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:54 AM
 
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There are 250,000 employees in Homeland Security ...... the Secretary get's wide latitude to decide how many of them are "essential" - in 2013, he deemed 85% of them "essential". A big chunk of DHS funding is "Mandatory" and set in stone. The part they are fighting over is the "Discretionary" funding -- Team Obama plans on using that money (discretionary) to fund his illegal Amnesty Royal Decree, which now has a Court Order Judgement against it. Team Obama is ramping up hiring, paperwork, lawyers, housing, health care, IRS "credit" checks, welfare/welfare/welfare ..... for his new Amnesty bunch -- he needs funding to do that. He should be denied that funding. 26 States are joined in the Lawsuit against the Amnesty Royal Decree - the Court says he can't go forward with it and Team Obama is planning on ignoring that Court order.

There is ZERO reason for Congress to fund a Counter Constitutional Amnesty Royal Decree that breaks current Immigration Law AND that has a Court Order against it.

"I agree the president went over, and he overstepped his boundaries," Manchin said. "I will vote against those orders, basically, if we have to vote on it. I will be voting with the Republicans on that issue there."

Late Monday, McConnell placed a new bill on the Senate calendar that separates those controversial riders from the DHS funding bill, which Senate Democrats had repeatedly blocked because of those GOP-sponsored provisions.

Hopefully the republicans (and any sane democrats) will help to derail the Obama immigration decree and restore the balance of power back to the government.

Beyond the disasterous effect that Obama's order will have on the US, the precedent for a POTUS to simply create and execute law by executive order is quite dangerous.
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:45 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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lol

It should be important to you, considering that if the GOP continues to try and stop it, they have zero chance of winning a Presidential election.

Don't like 70+% of Hispanics voting for the Democrats? That could easily jump to 80+%, just keep following this path. Personally, I'm enjoying watching the Republican Party absolutely throw away their already slim chances at winning the next election.
That's the media trying to convince you that EVERY American of Hispanic descent will vote on this one issue. That is far from the truth. Illegals don't vote. When they leave this country, there will be even less chance of them voting.
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It would be WONDERFUL-not gonna happen though.
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Old 02-24-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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Leaving it to the Court at this point would run the risk of Law essentially being created between the Executive and Judicial Branches...........

......not what The "Law of the Land" calls for.
Not True - the Court case is about not following current law and Obama creating 'law' that contradicts current law by fiat.

The Courts just put the ball back in the hands of Congress.
It's not accident that Team Obama has done everything they could to stop Congress from opening up the immigration laws and writing new laws. The only immigration law that Team Obama is interested in is the one that Harry Reid pushed through the Senate with no real debate or much input from the Republicans. They never intended for it to go anywhere in the House OR for even a word of it to be changed.
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Old 02-24-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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My slant was of the precedent it will set if Congress does not cut it down.
I know what the Court case is about.

I have hope yet little faith in Congress from experience.
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Old 02-24-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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HUM, not much!

The USA has 20-30 million insufficiently-documented pseudo-citizens..................if 1% are violent psychopaths willing to act, Homeland Security will not do any good.
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Old 02-24-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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lol

It should be important to you, considering that if the GOP continues to try and stop it, they have zero chance of winning a Presidential election.

Don't like 70+% of Hispanics voting for the Democrats? That could easily jump to 80+%, just keep following this path. Personally, I'm enjoying watching the Republican Party absolutely throw away their already slim chances at winning the next election.
Way to go stereotyping all Hispanics as only caring about amnesty for illegals. In other words, you're assuming that all Hispanic have illegal alien friends and relatives and are aiding and abetting said people.

News flash---Hispanics are not a monolith that wants amnesty and votes in lockstep with La Raza.

You don't speak for me. Nor do you speak for my extended family members who work or have worked for ICE, Border Patrol, Customs and have served in the military.

No politician on either side of the aisle should be pandering to law breakers.
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