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But not free to have hormone treatments, therapy and surgery?
Just trying to clarify what you think.
I don't care if people have hormone treatments, therapy, and surgery.
I'm simply trying to wrap my brain around how any person can determine they feel like the opposite gender, when there is no "one way" for a female or a male to feel. How does anyone know what it feels like to be ME, or any other female, when no two females feel the same? Everyone simply feels like whoever they are, and if that is how a person has felt since birth, what makes that person think he feels like the opposite gender?
And especially, since "traditional gender roles" have been eliminated, and people of either gender can be/work/dress/behave pretty much however they choose, I don't understand why anyone would want/need to change their genitals to be "who they were meant to be." I could get my boobs chopped off, but what doors will that open that are not already open for me??? How could the changing of a healthy, natural body part somehow make anyone's life more "as it should be"?
For example, if it were a hundred years ago, where females' employment opportunities were quite limited, then I can understand why a woman might want to pretend to be a man (not saying TGs are "pretending," just trying to make a point), hence bind her boobs, dress like a man, and try to get a "man's job."
If you have a penis, and you want to wear a dress, be a florist, wear nail polish and fake eyelashes, date a man or date a woman (or both), who's to stop you? Men can do all of those things. Women and men can do whatever they want to do, so why put your body through surgically/hormonally switching to the other gender?
I don't care if people have hormone treatments, therapy, and surgery.
I'm simply trying to wrap my brain around how any person can determine they feel like the opposite gender, when there is no "one way" for a female or a male to feel. How does anyone know what it feels like to be ME, or any other female, when no two females feel the same? Everyone simply feels like whoever they are, and if that is how a person has felt since birth, what makes that person think he feels like the opposite gender?
And especially, since "traditional gender roles" have been eliminated, and people of either gender can be/work/dress/behave pretty much however they choose, I don't understand why anyone would want/need to change their genitals to be "who they were meant to be." I could get my boobs chopped off, but what doors will that open that are not already open for me??? How could the changing of a healthy, natural body part somehow make anyone's life more "as it should be"?
For example, if it were a hundred years ago, where females' employment opportunities were quite limited, then I can understand why a woman might want to pretend to be a man (not saying TGs are "pretending," just trying to make a point), hence bind her boobs, dress like a man, and try to get a "man's job."
If you have a penis, and you want to wear a dress, be a florist, wear nail polish and fake eyelashes, date a man or date a woman (or both), who's to stop you? Men can do all of those things. Women and men can do whatever they want to do, so why put your body through surgically/hormonally switching to the other gender?
That's the part I don't get.
Try explaining sight to someone born blind. They have no conception on what it's like to see, no narrative, no framework with which to put it into perspective. It's the same with being gender dysphoric.
Sadly the people who need to read this the most are the ones who will likely ignore it but here's a few very powerful quotes:
2. ‘These people need therapy, not surgery.’
I have been over this before. They tried for decades to change people’s gender identities, the same way they tried to change sexual orientation. Drugs. Therapy. Electroshock therapy. Lobotomies. Institutionalization. It doesn’t work.
11. ‘I’m actually a feline trapped in a human’s body. Can I get can surgery to make me a cat?’
Also known as the “I think I’m funny, but I’m not†answer. Generally used by guys who watch South Park.
When people use this argument, they assume that transgender people are mentally ill (they’re not), assume it’s a delusion that can be cured (wrong), and ignores one key fact: People can naturally be mentally hardwired to identify as male or female. Sometimes the wiring and the equipment don’t synch up during development.
We have 40-plus years of neuroscience research basically telling us gender identity and body image are written early on in development, and sometimes they don’t match. People, however, do not naturally identify as a cat or other non-human animal.
15. ‘It doesn’t change your DNA,’
This is irrelevant. There are lots of intersex people whose identities vary from their chromosomes.
The relevant part of the discussion is whether GCS is medically necessary (it is in the opinion of everyone who matters) and if it significantly improves quality of life (it does).
As far as I'm concerned people who try to jerk around transgender people are *******s, all of them. Yes, even the wimpy people posting on this site crap against transgender people are nothing but a bunch of **** pants phony baloney *******s who couldn't kick ass out of a wet paper bag.
It is a psychological problem, period. I am not saying defect because that infers a judgment, but we can call it an abnormality, because about 99.999% of the people born with penises are psychologically cool with being dudes and 99.999% of the folks born with vajayjays are cool with being chicks. Thus, a person born with a penis but really just feeling like a girl in their mind, yeah, that's not normal and lies at the very far end of the distribution curve of gender identity.
But it's purely psychological. Absolutely, no two ways about it. Having a penis and thinking you're really a girl on the inside is no different than having a penis and thinking you're really Julius Caesar on the inside. And the GCS doesn't give you working versions of the other gender's genitalia, it gives you an approximation/facsimile of them that tricks your brain into thinking OK cool, now you're the proper gender. Not saying it doesn't work and all, but chopping a penis off and creating faux vagina facsimile does not create a woman, it creates the genital illusion necessary to convince the individual that they are a woman. In sum - it's a medical procedure to induce a desired psychological effect as a solution to a purely psychological condition.
Are you a doctor that specializes in transgenders?
If you have a penis, and you want to wear a dress, be a florist, wear nail polish and fake eyelashes, date a man or date a woman (or both), who's to stop you? Men can do all of those things. Women and men can do whatever they want to do, so why put your body through surgically/hormonally switching to the other gender?
That's the part I don't get.
It's pretty simple, really.
Whatever I wear or do, or whoever I date or don't date - I identify myself as female - not dressed up as a female, not acting like a female - I just am female.
A person can self-identify as a woman who prefers women, even self-identify as a "butch" woman, and be totally comfortable being female. It's not the same thing as feeling like a man trapped in a woman's body.
I think one of the biggest misconceptions straight people have about homosexuality is that a homosexual person is unhappy with their gender, and wishes to be the opposite gender.
Transgender people feel trapped in the wrong body.
Whatever I wear or do, or whoever I date or don't date - I identify myself as female - not dressed up as a female, not acting like a female - I just am female.
A person can self-identify as a woman who prefers women, even self-identify as a "butch" woman, and be totally comfortable being female. It's not the same thing as feeling like a man trapped in a woman's body.
I think one of the biggest misconceptions straight people have about homosexuality is that a homosexual person is unhappy with their gender, and wishes to be the opposite gender.
Transgender people feel trapped in the wrong body.
It amazes me how some can be so judgmental and intolerant of those unlike them. Not sure what made them judge and jury.
Are you a doctor that specializes in transgenders?
No, I am an ordinary person who specializes in common sense.
If I have all the genetic traits of a man but THINK I am a woman, my dilemma is psychological. And if my "cure" does not change my genetics, but makes me feel better/correct because my appearance is now closer to the gender I think I am, then again, my problem is psychological.
Understand, I am not saying that because a problem is psychological it is not legitimate and very serious. I make no judgment on the condition based on whether it is psychological or physical. But the gender identity issue is psychological.
No, I am an ordinary person who specializes in common sense.
If I have all the genetic traits of a man but THINK I am a woman, my dilemma is psychological. And if my "cure" does not change my genetics, but makes me feel better/correct because my appearance is now closer to the gender I think I am, then again, my problem is psychological.
Understand, I am not saying that because a problem is psychological it is not legitimate and very serious. I make no judgment on the condition based on whether it is psychological or physical. But the gender identity issue is psychological.
I'll stick with the evidence-based views of medical specialists, not the ignorant opinions of people who spout common non-sense.
No, I am an ordinary person who specializes in common sense.
If I have all the genetic traits of a man but THINK I am a woman, my dilemma is psychological. And if my "cure" does not change my genetics, but makes me feel better/correct because my appearance is now closer to the gender I think I am, then again, my problem is psychological.
Understand, I am not saying that because a problem is psychological it is not legitimate and very serious. I make no judgment on the condition based on whether it is psychological or physical. But the gender identity issue is psychological.
The brain is very complicated and we have yet to figure it out. It controls every aspect of us. Our brain doesn't care about genetics or physical traits of the human body. Our brain tells us who we are. That's common sense.
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