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Old 02-26-2015, 06:52 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Originally Posted by loriinwa View Post
That they have to spend an eternity talking an imperceptive, reactionary, named Petunia.
Is that a direct quote, or an example of that old twisting verses to mean whatever you want which you complained about earlier?

 
Old 02-26-2015, 06:57 PM
 
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You can refuse anyone for any reason in your own business.
Yup, and you can keep paying fines after fines, and face lawsuits after lawsuits, and go to jail after jail....Like someone else said, once you open your store to the public, you don't have the freedom to discriminate anymore. If you want to, then make your business like a church and open it only to devouts and make it non-profit. Otherwise, you are violating the law.

How about a sign for No Jews, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Women, Blind, Handicapped, Retarded etc Try it at your store and see how quickly you go bankrupt from all the fines and lawsuits. Best of luck.
 
Old 02-26-2015, 06:57 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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That would be you. Supporting the discrimination of a person's faith over special privileges for homosexuals.
It seems you operate on the assumption that if you repeat something often enough, it will magically become true. There is no special privilege in purchasing something offered for sale to the public.
 
Old 02-26-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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The laws vary by state and even within a jurisdiction. There has to be a specific law because gays are not a protected class.
In Washington, sexual orientation is a protected class. This florist is located in Washington.
 
Old 02-26-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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You can refuse anyone for any reason in your own business.
That is correct...

However...

Certain reasons are illegal... Which is why you simply keep your mouth shut on why you refuse business.
 
Old 02-26-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Originally Posted by loriinwa View Post
Really: People of the Amish faith don't pay into SSI. Muslims are exempt from the Obamacare mandate. You can be dismissed from a mandatory draft into the military on the basis of Conscientious Objections.

So what were you saying?
Is it illegal for people of the Amish faith to not pay into SSI? No. They have been granted that exemption.

Is it illegal for the florist to refuse to sell wedding flowers to a gay man? Yes. She has not been granted an exemption.

Do you see the difference?
 
Old 02-26-2015, 07:22 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Ok, let's say I am a small print shop owned by a black American, and the KKK comes in and wants 10,000 leaflets printed up for their annual get together. Should I be forced to take on their business, even though it is against my beliefs ? Or, even if I was a white American that owned the same print shop and disagreed with their philosophies, would I be discriminating against them unfairly?

Laws have to make sense, and some of them do not.

Don
Where is the law making hate groups a protected class?

Do you understand what a protected class is?
 
Old 02-26-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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It doesn't matter that they sign away their rights. No other person has the right to opt out of SSI even if they also agree to waive any rights to collection. So that is a RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION. Stop trying to find clarifiers. Either they get a religious exemption or they don't. They do! And regardless of your disclaimer, they still get an exemption from a Federal law that no others get, solely based on their religious beliefs.
Are police and fire departments religious groups? Some have opted out of SSI, quite legally, and do not participate at all.
 
Old 02-26-2015, 08:14 PM
 
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I've never seen an issue that gets people so worked up as who someone else chooses to sleep with. It's almost as silly as treating people differently because of the tone of their skin, lol can you imag- OH WAIT that's a thing too because people are nuts.
 
Old 02-26-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Petunia 100 View Post
Is that a direct quote, or an example of that old twisting verses to mean whatever you want which you complained about earlier?
That's the only answer your question warranted.
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