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Old 03-04-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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1) quit with breaking the model. Its ISP apologist bull#@! ANY site on the internet site where A lot of people request the same thing at the same time will cause issues. It has nothing to do with the f'n instant video model. High speed streams don't break the model, primetime congestion does.



No one has issues with "network management" yet these companies have a track record of laying back on their monopolistic practices, not upgrading infrastructure, and then - by pure accident i'm sure - "network manage" the competition to bottom of the list. . .

If we had competition, then a company like Comcast wouldn't be able to not support the data requests of its customers to Netflix (one of the most popular sites on the net). its like Wal-mart refusing to sell tide. . .you would just go someplace else.


So translation "reasonable network management" the practice of adjusting your infrastructure and capabilities to support your video and demand services over competitive internet services.
BUU is correct in his assessment. Just how much do you now about network management from a technical standpoint ?
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:55 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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1) quit with breaking the model. Its ISP apologist bull#@!
Your denial of the reality doesn't help you overcome the ignorance of the reality of the situation that is afflicting your comprehension and your comments. Your diatribes stinks of blind and reckless lashing out at companies you apparently hate on a personal level. That helps no one understand anything better.

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No one has issues with "network management"
Netflix did, for a while. Now they're okay with it because they have their customer base hooked and realize that they can overcome the problems it causes for them through their own means as well as or better than their potential competitors.

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So translation "reasonable network management" the practice of adjusting your infrastructure and capabilities to support your video and demand services over competitive internet services. that is one item, we need help on defending. . and making sure doesn't happen.
Your comment here is either a typographical error or just ridiculous and clueless ranting and raving.
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Old 03-04-2015, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Primetime congestion does hurt ISPs but it happens MUCH more common with Netflix, or even Hulu, Amazon Video and WWE Network than it does with other websites (don't get me wrong, when ANY website get slammed, it will get congested if they don't have the servers to handle it.)
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:08 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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Primetime congestion does hurt ISPs but it happens MUCH more common with Netflix, or even Hulu, Amazon Video and WWE Network than it does with other websites
Your list contains only popular websites that offer innately high-bandwidth services. Which popular websites that offer innately high-bandwidth services are not affected by network congestion at peak times?

As an aside, it will be interesting to see which of these innately high-bandwidth services that you listed now choose to establish numerous points of presence, effectively building for themselves the "fast lanes" that the new rules ban service providers from offering. Remember that the new rules do not constrain the services from doing so.
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Do the search with the address i posted, read some of the stories and come back.

It would be less embarrassing.

Have you visited this thread? EPA Lying In Court Just Like IRS
Boo hoo. If you looked at the map, you'll see how much wetlands actually cover and you can do the math and see how much has been lost.

Everyone lies; every person regardless of public or private sector. And quite frankly, how often the right has cried wolf under Obama, I could care less and don't believe your side.
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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There 5 pages of stories.
A local newspaper

In El Dorado County
"IN EL DORADO COUNTYIn El Dorado County


"EPA issued a draft scientific study purporting to find that virtually all wetlands and streams are “physically, chemically, and biologically connected” to downstream waters over which the EPA already claims authority. Moreover, says the EPA study, even many “ephemeral streams” and “prairie potholes, vernal pools and playa lakes” that are dry most of the year can be found to have some connectivity to downstream waters - See more at: EPA Water Police Coming to Your Farm, Business"

This was NOT part of the original Clean Air and Water bill.
And? Should we not use the best information or just rely on past legislation? This is pretty silly.....
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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According to two FCC commissioners, those new regulations are bad all around
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:51 PM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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You mean the people who voted against something that passed thought that something shouldn't have passed?!?!?

Stop the presses! /sarc
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Net neutrality means all content providers get equal share of the net.

That driverless car connected to the net gets no more priority then Joe Smith watching the latest HD video without lag.

There are some technologies that need priority over individual consumers.
Unless those types of services use internet2 and the internet is left to consumers.
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:04 PM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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Net neutrality means all content providers get equal share of the net.
What does that mean? What is an "equal share of the net"? There's no way I see to map that into anything that means anything.

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That driverless car connected to the net gets no more priority then Joe Smith watching the latest HD video without lag.
You're presuming "without lag" but "gets no more priority" contradicts that absolute.

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There are some technologies that need priority over individual consumers.
This is true, and I believe the rules specifically allow "fast lanes" for certain services, things like remote medical monitoring and such.
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