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Old 02-28-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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"t’s generally pretty tough to defend the health care system in Florida, though this report from the Tampa Bay Times actually makes it look a little worse.
Last year, legislators allocated $900,000 to help Floridians find affordable health care through a new state-backed website.

At the same time, they refused to expand Medicaid or work with the federal government to offer subsidized insurance plans.

Six months after the launch of the state’s effort, called Florida Health Choices, just 30 people have signed up.
That’s not a typo. We’re not talking about 30% of the population; we’re talking about literally just 30 individuals.

Charles Gaba crunched the numbers to find the costs per enrollee and found that Florida Health Choices is vastly more expensive than, say, the Affordable Care Act’s healthcare.gov, while offering much less..."


Rubio's health care project comes up empty in Florida | MSNBC

Meanwhile nearly 1 million Floridians signed up for Obamacare through the Federal Obamacare website.

Hmmmmm....
30 people vs nearly 1 million.

So much for a GOP alternative to Obamacare.



Ken

 
Old 02-28-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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Of course nobody signed up for it they already have someone else paying for them. Who pays for the 764,000 people once the federal money goes away? States can't print money.
 
Old 02-28-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Of course nobody signed up for it they already have someone else paying for them. Who pays for the 764,000 people once the federal money goes away? States can't print money.
Even AFTER the "Federal money goes away" the Federal government will STILL pay NEARLY ALL of it.

"...Under the health-care law, the federal government will pay 100 percent of the cost of expansion in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Then the federal match is pared back to 95 percent in 2017, 94 percent in 2018, 93 percent in 2019 and then 90 percent in 2020 and beyond. It would stay at the 90 percent level unless the lawmakers change or repeal the legislation.

So, rather than getting $1 back for every $2 spent, states would get $9 back for every $10 spent. (This is a simplified version of a complex formula. The Kaiser Family Foundation in 2013 issued a report with all of the details.)

So, only in a very narrow sense does the money “go away.” The match declines a bit, and certainly Congress could change its mind, but at the moment this looks like a better deal than the current system...."


Rubio’s claim that Medicaid expansion funds will ‘go away’ - The Washington Post

Ken
 
Old 02-28-2015, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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"t’s generally pretty tough to defend the health care system in Florida, though this report from the Tampa Bay Times actually makes it look a little worse.
Last year, legislators allocated $900,000 to help Floridians find affordable health care through a new state-backed website.

At the same time, they refused to expand Medicaid or work with the federal government to offer subsidized insurance plans.

Six months after the launch of the state’s effort, called Florida Health Choices, just 30 people have signed up.
That’s not a typo. We’re not talking about 30% of the population; we’re talking about literally just 30 individuals.

Charles Gaba crunched the numbers to find the costs per enrollee and found that Florida Health Choices is vastly more expensive than, say, the Affordable Care Act’s healthcare.gov, while offering much less..."


Rubio's health care project comes up empty in Florida | MSNBC

Meanwhile nearly 1 million Floridians signed up for Obamacare through the Federal Obamacare website.

Hmmmmm....
30 people vs nearly 1 million.

So much for a GOP alternative to Obamacare.



Ken
and what is this suppossed to do with anything?
 
Old 02-28-2015, 11:57 AM
 
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Even AFTER the "Federal money goes away" the Federal government will STILL pay NEARLY ALL of it.

"...Under the health-care law, the federal government will pay 100 percent of the cost of expansion in 2014, 2015 and 2016. Then the federal match is pared back to 95 percent in 2017, 94 percent in 2018, 93 percent in 2019 and then 90 percent in 2020 and beyond. It would stay at the 90 percent level unless the lawmakers change or repeal the legislation.

So, rather than getting $1 back for every $2 spent, states would get $9 back for every $10 spent. (This is a simplified version of a complex formula. The Kaiser Family Foundation in 2013 issued a report with all of the details.)

So, only in a very narrow sense does the money “go away.” The match declines a bit, and certainly Congress could change its mind, but at the moment this looks like a better deal than the current system...."

Rubio’s claim that Medicaid expansion funds will ‘go away’ - The Washington Post

Ken

Where does the money come from? surely not the people who receive the benefits.
 
Old 02-28-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Of course these people didn't sign up. If they didn't have enough for insurance to begin with and would have went on medicaid which is $0 to them then how would anyone expect them to sign up for a state plan where they have to pay ?

If you can't afford insurance then you can't afford insurance..it's as simple as that.
 
Old 02-28-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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and what is this suppossed to do with anything?
It's a prime example of the Republican alternative to Obamacare.
 
Old 02-28-2015, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's a prime example of the Republican alternative to Obamacare.
No, it's more of a state example because they cannot print money and have to stay within their budget.

Only the Fed can go deep into debt and print money when it wants.
 
Old 02-28-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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30 million expected to go without insurance post ACA...

We started with 32 million uninsured americans.

So that comes to a drop of 2 million people over 50 states, or 40K per state in newly insured, at a cost of TRILLIONS...

And the sad part is more than 40K were added to the welfare roles, which means privately insured individuals stopped buying insurance...

Left wing celebrates FAILURE once again..
 
Old 02-28-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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Of course these people didn't sign up. If they didn't have enough for insurance to begin with and would have went on medicaid which is $0 to them then how would anyone expect them to sign up for a state plan where they have to pay ?

If you can't afford insurance then you can't afford insurance..it's as simple as that.
You need to hold some peoples hands and explain what should be common sense to them.
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