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Old 03-05-2015, 07:27 AM
 
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity . . . . What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving . . . . The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else . . . .. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation . . . .You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

- Adrian Rogers, 1931[/QUOTE]


Who?? And why is he relevant that we should care what he has to say?
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:29 AM
 
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prosperity?? It's healthcare we're talking about here, not mansions and private jets
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate



Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter.
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I need gas for my car. Should I be entitled to a subsidy? Will you willingly fund the cost?
Your taxes are paying for big Oil to be getting a tax subsidy. Tell me why an individual should not get the same type of subsidy for their healthcare?
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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Bottom line : the fewer the leeches the better off the productive are.
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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explain to me how the ACA actually makes healthcare AFFORDABLE?



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The Supreme Court is back at it again.

Those in favor of ending ACA subsidies ("unconstitutional"), let's hear your reasons for making health care less affordable for people who need it.

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Old 03-05-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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ACA should be completely scrapped as the bad law that it is. Millions remain uninsured, and the law really didn't do anything to rein in costs.

We need single-payer universal health care, and it's barbaric that we don't have it. No one should have to worry about how they're going to pay for it when they get sick.

Anything that undermines this wrong-headed law is fine by me. It never should have passed. I laugh and laugh when I hear the right talking about how "socialist" it is. It's the biggest sellout to corporate interests they could have ever hoped for.
Amen to the bolded part of your post. Anyone who has lived without access to health insurance lives in fear every day of their lives that they will get sick or hurt and be ruined. That is what the ACA has done for many millions of people, it's allowed us the same access to subsidized healthcare as those who have theirs subsidized through their employers.

I agree, universal healthcare is the way to go, but we won't get that with this Congress. In the meantime, I will take what is available and pay for a policy purchased through the exchange. How many people receiving health insurance through large groups where the prices are greatly reduced would willingly give it up and live in uncertainty and fear? I'd wager not a one. But many of those same people would be perfectly happy to throw millions off their insurance to win a political point, with no thought of the inhumanity of such a stance.

It's estimated that by 2020, fully 40 percent of American workers will be employed as independent contractors, meaning no access to employer based health insurance. Should nearly half the population be denied access to basic healthcare? Is that really the country we want to be?

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Old 03-05-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Those that think they understand, must not realize that this a gold standard notion. Our money systems and overall economy is no longer on a gold standard and zero sum. That means with deficit spending, the rich no longer have to always be taxed and take care of the poor.
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Old 03-05-2015, 09:07 AM
 
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Your taxes are paying for big Oil to be getting a tax subsidy. Tell me why an individual should not get the same type of subsidy for their healthcare?
IMO this is just the type of middle class bail that we have done without since the rich got theirs after the 2008 crash.

The poor we already care for.
The rich always manages to get theirs.
While the middle class languishes.
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Old 03-05-2015, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Your taxes are paying for big Oil to be getting a tax subsidy. Tell me why an individual should not get the same type of subsidy for their healthcare?

You're against oil subsidies but advocate the subsidies you like? Maybe they are both wrong.
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Old 03-05-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Bottom line : the fewer the leeches the better off the productive are.
Not all by a long shot.

Leeches receive central supports and subsidies, and then they spend.

So that money goes into all sorts of private sector businesses.

Gov't spending supports about 1/3 of all business.
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