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Have had more than a few experiences with people who are liberally progressive minded who exhibit narcissistic personality disorder and am wondering if anyone else sees this connection. Many of the traits of liberal progressives seem to be the same as narcissists. A few common traits seem to be:
Unable to take on personal responsibility/ Always depending on others
Blaming others for their shortcomings and unmet needs
Blaming others instead of being understanding of the effect of their own behavior
A preoccupation with personal image/vanity
Lack of ability to think objectively and rationally.
These are a few of the common traits that I see. Does anyone else notice this pattern? What am I missing?
What you're missing is that people on both sides of the political spectrum display this pattern. Because it has nothing to do with politics. It's a human failing.
Actually, my parents are staunch conservatives and they have very strong narcissistic tendencies. It is not something that is specific to a political mindset at all. Narcissists subscribe to whatever political agenda that makes them feel good about themselves.
Try again.
Yep.
Gawd, there is none so trite as an ideologue trying to paint whoever disagrees with him or her as mentally ill.
Have had more than a few experiences with people who are liberally progressive minded who exhibit narcissistic personality disorder and am wondering if anyone else sees this connection. Many of the traits of liberal progressives seem to be the same as narcissists. A few common traits seem to be:
Unable to take on personal responsibility/ Always depending on others
Blaming others for their shortcomings and unmet needs
Blaming others instead of being understanding of the effect of their own behavior
A preoccupation with personal image/vanity
Lack of ability to think objectively and rationally.
These are a few of the common traits that I see. Does anyone else notice this pattern? What am I missing?
I'm liberal and I'm none of the things above and the farthest from narcissistic you can be. I don't even understand how you could come to this conclusion. If I am willing to pay more of my salary in taxes so that poor people have heat and food, how on earth does that make me more selfish than someone who wants to hoard all their pennies and not share? Isn't it really the other way around if anything?
What happened, did they kick you off of Politics and other Controversies, so you decided to come here and start a liberal-hating insult post trying to disguise it as psychology?
I'm liberal and I'm none of the things above and the farthest from narcissistic you can be. I don't even understand how you could come to this conclusion. If I am willing to pay more of my salary in taxes so that poor people have heat and food, how on earth does that make me more selfish than someone who wants to hoard all their pennies and not share? Isn't it really the other way around if anything?
What happened, did they kick you off of Politics and other Controversies, so you decided to come here and start a liberal-hating insult post trying to disguise it as psychology?
Exactly. It's funny all these conservatives complain about liberals and people being on food stamps when red states use more money for such public programs than blue states.
Have had more than a few experiences with people who are liberally progressive minded who exhibit narcissistic personality disorder and am wondering if anyone else sees this connection. Many of the traits of liberal progressives seem to be the same as narcissists. A few common traits seem to be:
Unable to take on personal responsibility/ Always depending on others
Blaming others for their shortcomings and unmet needs
Blaming others instead of being understanding of the effect of their own behavior
A preoccupation with personal image/vanity
Lack of ability to think objectively and rationally.
These are a few of the common traits that I see. Does anyone else notice this pattern? What am I missing?
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BTW, it's hard not to notice the way hard-core conservatives actually seem to need "lib-ruls". One only has to look at how much of their ideology actually depends on demonizing all these scary "others"… gays, femi-nazis, edu-macated elites, welfare queens, muzlims, leftists, illegals, socialists, atheists, whatever. Yet all their supposed 'crimes' (unpatriotic, dependent on welfare, arrogant, oppressive, intolerant, a 'mental disorder', etc.), actually read more like a textbook description of the 'shadow side' of right wing conservatism.
"That I feed the hungry, forgive an insult, and love my enemy.... these are great virtues.
But what if I should discover that the poorest of the beggars and the most impudent of offenders are all within me, and that I stand in need of the alms of my own kindness; that I myself am the enemy who must be loved? What then?" – Carl Jung
I'm liberal and I'm none of the things above and the farthest from narcissistic you can be. I don't even understand how you could come to this conclusion. If I am willing to pay more of my salary in taxes so that poor people have heat and food, how on earth does that make me more selfish than someone who wants to hoard all their pennies and not share? Isn't it really the other way around if anything?
What happened, did they kick you off of Politics and other Controversies, so you decided to come here and start a liberal-hating insult post trying to disguise it as psychology?
Not to mention that most of the things he said are not even criteria for narcissism.
Now lack of empathy--ie, bootstrap rhetoric and blame-the-victim mentality--well, we could have a field day with conservatives with that, couldn't we? And let's not mention the whole notion of a certain ex-President thinking he had direct communication from the Almighty because he was just that special.
Bottom line is that there is no correlation or causation between political ideology and narcissism. My sister claims to be liberal but took a very hard line with discipline when she was a teacher and is fiscally conservative, my father was a moderate (New Deal Democrat turned Reagan Republican, pro-life, anti capital punishment, mix-and-match), and my ex-SO is a libertarian gun nut.
I'm liberal and I'm none of the things above and the farthest from narcissistic you can be. I don't even understand how you could come to this conclusion. If I am willing to pay more of my salary in taxes so that poor people have heat and food, how on earth does that make me more selfish than someone who wants to hoard all their pennies and not share? Isn't it really the other way around if anything?
What happened, did they kick you off of Politics and other Controversies, so you decided to come here and start a liberal-hating insult post trying to disguise it as psychology?
The problem is right in the post, this isn't just about you. You want to force other people to pay more of their salary for the things you decide and don't want them to have a choice in the matter. That is worse than a person wanting to keep the money that they earn so maybe they can have a better future.
It may be seen as miserly for a "rich" person to not want to give his money away but it is not narcissistic. Selfishness, individualism, self preservation is not narcissism. The lack of understanding that it is wrong to play robin hood and force other people to do what you want then guilt them about it is more of an issue.
The problem is right in the post, this isn't just about you. You want to force other people to pay more of their salary for the things you decide and don't want them to have a choice in the matter. That is worse than a person wanting to keep the money that they earn so maybe they can have a better future.
It may be seen as miserly for a "rich" person to not want to give his money away but it is not narcissistic. Selfishness, individualism, self preservation is not narcissism. The lack of understanding that it is wrong to play robin hood and force other people to do what you want then guilt them about it is more of an issue.
That's fine but certainly liberalism isn't narcassistic either. If you want to debate whether liberalism is a good or bad thing in the world however, you need to go to P&OC, again this is not the place per TOS. I won't be joining you there however.
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