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Old 03-05-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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1. Taxes
The value of your labor is stolen via taxes.

2. Inflation
Prices rise when governments print money. As prices rise, people work harder, only to pay more in taxes and inflation.
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3. Burglary
Someone breaks into your home and steals something.

4. Illegal immigrants getting free college and free medical care.
The money coming from somewhere, cause it ain't free!
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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It's actually much worse than that. 40% are paying more than they should to support the 60% who aren't contributing enough to even pull their own weight. Read my post, above.

We are at the point where the majority can vote (by electing politicians who campaign on such) to take other people's money on the threat of imprisonment and/or property loss.

only way to stop this is remove voting rights for those who take but should be paying their own way. will never happen
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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1. Taxes
The value of your labor is stolen via taxes.

2. Inflation
Prices rise when governments print money. As prices rise, people work harder, only to pay more in taxes and inflation.
You left out an obvious. Outsourcing. With moving our good paying jobs over there we are poorer over here.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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So move in the wilderness and build your own road; dig a sewer trench and drill for your water. No one is stop you but do not expect service unless you pay.
If you don't pay taxes don't use the roads I pay for.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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They all work, so using the term is superfluous. Yes, tax burdens are shared disproportionately. Always have been. Everyone is working to support themselves.


The 1%, as you mentioned, qualify for all kinds of benefits that you and I don't. I don't feel sorry for them. Do you?
How do you know about the 1%? Are you one of them or are you basing your ASSumption on propaganda?
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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a significant percentage of the population isn't pulling their own weight and are actually costing much more than they contribute.

The top 1%, top 5%, top 10%, top 20%, top 40%... NONE of those income groups are getting their tax dollars' worth of benefits and services. So, no, they don't benefit.

They're penalized for being productive contributors to society.
^^^^
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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You left out an obvious. Outsourcing. With moving our good paying jobs over there we are poorer over here.
I don't think that's stealing, as the jobs never belonged to us in the first place. The employer should be able to hire who he/she wants.

The OP is correct...Taxation is taking the property of others by force, whether they consent or not, and the national debt steals the productivity of future generations who are born into that economic hole. I believe both fit the definition of theft...taking what belongs to another without their consent.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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When people get a raise the don't think how that raise isn't worth the actual raise. The government takes some of it. People should be demanding that the government take less money. In a sense it's like getting a raise.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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The lack of financial education enslave people in all parts of the world. Worse, politicians know that most people are financially uneducated and sell them a pipe dream and use it against them. Obama did this. He also used emotion... jealousy, using both their lack of financial understanding and jealousy to take more money from the people.

Today financial knowledge is more powerful than a gun or the whips and shackles of slavery. If you are not financially educated, 9 out of 10 you are broke and struggling and you are an easy target for a politicians who uses you as his useful idiot because you look to a politician in hopes that he will save you. Rich people know government won't save them.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:43 PM
 
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I don't think that's stealing, as the jobs never belonged to us in the first place.
That depends on how you define "us". Our manufacturing base belonged to The United States of America. The individual job may have not been yours but all the jobs were ours.
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The employer should be able to hire who he/she wants.
They should be. But they use to feel a sense of obligation to their employees that is now not there any more.
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The OP is correct...Taxation is taking the property of others by force, whether they consent or not, and the national debt steals the productivity of future generations who are born into that economic hole. I believe both fit the definition of theft...taking what belongs to another without their consent.
Did we consent to have our manufacturing base destroyed?
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