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sorry bentbow, but the south seceded from the union, fought a war against the union, and lost. the union had every right to make them reapply for statehood, and under the terms the union wished. its just like the end of any war, the winning side gets to set the terms by which the war ends.
That's just it. The Southern State didn't want to re-apply. They just fought a bloody war to gain their independence. A war that never should have been fought.
That's just it. The Southern State didn't want to re-apply. They just fought a bloody war to gain their independence. A war that never should have been fought.
It doesn't matter that the south didn't want to reapply. The lost a war to gain independence, therefore they had no say in reapplying because losers don't get to make those kinds of choices, only winners do.
You want to secede from the US, then try winning that war next time.
That's just it. The Southern State didn't want to re-apply. They just fought a bloody war to gain their independence. A war that never should have been fought.
If the American Revolution failed do you think Britain would have gladly taken the colonies back with open arms? NO WAY IN HELL. Samuel Adams, John Adams, John Hancock, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. would have been hung without trial of treason. If you secede and lose, you wont keep your independence.
If the American Revolution failed do you think Britain would have gladly taken the colonies back with open arms? NO WAY IN HELL. Samuel Adams, John Adams, John Hancock, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. would have been hung without trial of treason. If you secede and lose, you wont keep your independence.
England didn't have a Constitution, or any agreement document with the people of the colonies.
The government doesn't run things, the people do in a free nation. The most unique governed body to ever exist.
England didn't have a Constitution, or any agreement document with the people of the colonies.
The government doesn't run things, the people do in a free nation. The most unique governed body to ever exist.
More smoke and mirrors.
Mkpunk is absolutely correct; every one of the founding fathers who put their names on the Declaration of Independence would have been taken to London and hanged, and every colony would have been placed under harsh martial occupation and law if the revolution had failed.
Since the Constitution didn't come along until well after the war was over, it has nothing at all to do with this argument.
…Even if your comment had something to do with the topic, you're still wrong.
Every English colony on the North American continent was chartered by the Crown long before the revolution began. King George's royal navy had absolute command of the North Atlantic Ocean, and no English vessel sailed off to the new land willy-nilly.
Those who attempted it were declared pirates and were captured or sunk at sea if they didn't possess a Charter or Writ of Marque, the document that allowed a ship to carry cannons aboard. Only a charter gave a colony the security afforded by royal protection and colony supply from England. To obtain a charter, every colonist had to swear fealty to the Crown.
And England, with it's long-established House of Commons, was a damn site more democratic than Spain, France, the Netherlands, or any of the other nations that colonized North America. While the King had immense power, that power had its limits in England.
England didn't have a Constitution, or any agreement document with the people of the colonies.
The government doesn't run things, the people do in a free nation. The most unique governed body to ever exist.
I see you completely missed his point, losers don't make the rules. Had we lost the revolution, our founding fathers would have been killed for being terrorists. The South lost the Civil War so they didn't get to have the luxury to make decisions. You can pretend that losing doesn't matter, but in the case of war, it does.
You can think these amendments are all unconstitutional all you want, but that won't change history, and no one is looking to get rid of them to bring back slavery and seceding the South.
England didn't have a Constitution, or any agreement document with the people of the colonies.
The government doesn't run things, the people do in a free nation. The most unique governed body to ever exist.
The democratic form of government and its variants was not unique to the United States and existed long before the English colonies in North America were established.
England didn't have a Constitution, or any agreement document with the people of the colonies.
The government doesn't run things, the people do in a free nation. The most unique governed body to ever exist.
That is besides the point (even though the Magna Carter was basically one.) The point was as others said, there would have been harsh punishment. I don't think Confederate Generals were even tried for war crimes. If they were, it wasn't as known as World War II or Vietnam trials.
That is besides the point (even though the Magna Carter was basically one.) The point was as others said, there would have been harsh punishment. I don't think Confederate Generals were even tried for war crimes. If they were, it wasn't as known as World War II or Vietnam trials.
If I remember correctly Confederate Generals basically lost all their rights, I believe many of them later died never being reinstated as Americans. Been a long time since I read the history of the Post Civil War, so these points might be inaccurate, but that is what I remember.
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