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Old 03-09-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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There is no need to track race, it happens automatically. For instance, people watch the news on TV, and every negative piece of news on a black person reinforces negative views the person already has (conscious or not) because people are very subjective and selective about what they sense. Every mug shot of a black suspect in the news is a little catastrophe for the image of black people.

I guess it would help if society were not so class-oriented and gentrified, but instead mixed a whole lot more, as early on as possible.
But there is no point in forcing people to mix (busing etc.) if they don't want to, that will only increase their negative views. At that stage it is already too late, so to speak. Once people have certain views, it is very hard to change them.

 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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This is a perfect example of conservative racism ^^^^^.

Why would blacks have to prove anything to someone who is not racist?
They have to prove it to themselves, as we all do if we want to succeed.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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They have to prove it to themselves, as we all do if we want to succeed.
That's moving the goalpost.

The judge is white. Hence, blacks will always be "proving themselves." Justice in America is white.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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That's moving the goalpost.

The judge is white. Hence, blacks will always be "proving themselves." Justice in America is white.
I was simply talking about motivation, or self starting.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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I missed that memo. I don't prove myself to anyone.. at least not consciously.
To succeed at any occupation, you must prove yourself. Before I retired, I had a floor covering business and had to prove to customers that I could do a good job if I wanted to be hired again.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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What are black people supposed to prove? That they are human, too?
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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What are black people supposed to prove? That they are human, too?
That they are not relegated to be victims while everyone around them thrives.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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People equivocate and confuse prejudices with racism. Currently we as a society often look at disdain and ostracize people who demonstrate prejudices based on race while ignoring the human thought process that largely works on assumptions when presented with incomplete or unknown information. These assumptions are constantly refined with new information, i.e. experience and knowledge and become more and more accurate as long as we can maintain a certain objectivity and open mindedness. In my opinion, this is the single most important and ignored component of race relations in the United States today and its largely perpetrated by the liberal social justice warrior. With that said, prejudices can easily manifest into racism. This occurs when a person is presented and ignores logical, empirical and reasonable information or knowledge that directly contradicts the prejudice.

We can look at the title of this article and dismiss it out of hand rather easily. Its obviously prejudicial to white people as it assumes all or some white people have these characteristics, i.e. "7 ways". A similar and equally prejudicial title would be "7 ways black people are good at basketball with out knowing it". The author probably attempts to use empirical evidence to support the assumption he/she has made with out truly establishing the merit of the premise. The author would have to produce scientific evidence that demonstrate that skin color inherently determines if someone is racist or not. Obviously racism is completely environmental and a learned behavior and nothing about the color of a persons skin makes them racist or better basketball player.

The problem we have is when people start discussing the concept known as white privilege they largely ignore the faulty premise they have established and immediately start trying to use irrelevant empirical evidence to support it and this is where it becomes racist. Think of racial profiling, it uses the same logical leaps as these "white privilege" folks do.

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Old 03-09-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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I missed that memo. I don't prove myself to anyone.. at least not consciously.
The majority of the rest of us do.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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I missed that memo. I don't prove myself to anyone.. at least not consciously.
I'm not defending the other guys argument but this kind of comes off as false. You do not think you have prove yourself to your boss?
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