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"The senators clearly commenced correspondence with a foreign government with the intent to influence the conduct of Iran's government in relation to a controversy with the United States."
Where in the letter is there any intent to influence? And where are there any points of negotiation? Read the letter and you'll see it is an explanation of the differences in the branches of the U.S. government and nothing more. I understand how people love to parse statements and infer what they think was intended, but since we've all heard over and over from this administration, it's what is actually said that counts, not how it's interpreted.
Should we have a unified foreign policy? Or is it okay for any bozo senator or small-town mayor be able to speak for our country with another power? What these idiots did is a disrespect toward the office of the POTUS.
In the first place, no "small town mayor" is involved. These are U.S. Senators.
The President "shall have power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur..."
President Obama is not acting in the best interests of the United States in making this "deal," and has not sought the advice of the Senate (as required above). "We are getting in bed with a rattlesnake" — Pat Caddell. We are unleashing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. It's about time the Congress is stepping in to do something about it.
There are no violations of law or the Constitution in sending this letter (though perhaps it is against "protocol," but since when has Obama ever cared about protocol?).
Should we have a unified foreign policy? Or is it okay for any bozo senator or small-town mayor be able to speak for our country with another power? What these idiots did is a disrespect toward the office of the POTUS.
In the world of "disrespect" I think Obama started that. Forget his pettiness, that is just middle school stuff, the substantive disrespect has been not involving Congress in any of his foreign policy adventures. The Constitution does give the President sole power to negotiate treaties, but it is with the "advice and consent" of the Senate. If the Senate is locked out in secret negotiations they can not perform their "advice" role.
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That doesn't make any sense. So if we were to have the Senate negotiate one agreement, the House another, and the Executive another, what is supposed to happen? Why can't the city council of B-F Nebraska pop. 100 negotiate with Iran, too? This is ridiculous.
Even worse is these idiots think they're going to stop Iran from getting nukes by leaving the negotiating table. What the hell are they smoking? I'm glad we have at least have an adult for a president. I've seen plenty of bone-headed moves by the GOP senate but this sounds like an SNL skit. "Hero Tom Cotton takes on the nation of Iran," what an arrogant tw@t.
See above about the Senate's role. I read the Tom Cotton letter, that was an open letter, not a direct communication with anyone in the Iran regime. It laid out the Senate's role in U.S. foreign policy and what the value of an unratified agreement would be.
While it might not have been my tactic, I think Obama has brought it on himself through his refusals to work with Congress. He may not agree with Congress, but they represent the American people in a co-equal branch of government and he has to work to come to consensus not act as if he is Supreme Leader Obama.
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The GOP senators have acted in a stupid, mindless, disrespectful manner, and worse, in an act counterproductive to American interests. I can't believe they are jeapordizing negotiations just to sabotage progress made by this particular president.
This isn't a silly argument about whether life begins at conception or not, and the loonies in the Republican party need to realize that or we all pay the consequences.
Say what?
We don't know what is in the agreement so how do you know what is and is not in the interests of the American people?
What is silly is how far Iran has progressed towards a bomb while these negotiations have dragged on and how violations of previous agreements have been ignored.
Iran will get a nuclear bomb and it is going to be Obama's doing.
Even better, the leader of this sedition openly admits that his intent is to cause the negotiations to fail.
This isn't sedition. This is within their authority. The President cannot act on his own in dealing with foreign governments. He is not a King. Iran is also an enemy of the United States, making it all the more important that Congress be involved.
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I don't know who the hell this guy thinks he is. I don't remember electing Tom Cotton to represent my interests with Iran.
"This guy" and 46 other Senators. And, by the way, Senators do not represent "your" interests. Senators Represent the interest of the States. This "deal" (as it's being called) is being done without the advice and consent of the Senate (as required by the Constitution), and is not in the interest of the United States.
If this was George W. Bush making this deal, and Democrat Senators sending the letter, what would be your position?
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And such a comment shows ignorance to the fact that the United States can unilaterally impose further sanctions on Iran; the US doesn't need the UK, France, Germay, Russia or China to impose additional sanctions. Congress Races to Act on Iran After Bibi's Speech - US News
What's difficult to understand is the rush to kiss BiBi's ass over Iran, he's been crying WOLF!! for 20 years now. Apparently the boy who's cried WOLF! for so long finally found a group of suckers to do his bidding.
You, and the senators who signed this letter, don't know what you're talking about. In response to the letter, the Iranian Foreign Minister schooled the 47 idiots about both the American Constitution and international law. It seems he understands the U.S. Constitution better than they do.
“I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.”
Zarif expressed the hope that his comments “may enrich the knowledge of the authors to recognize that according to international law, Congress may not ‘modify the terms of the agreement at any time’ as they claim, and if Congress adopts any measure to impede its implementation, it will have committed a material breach of US obligations.”
He also informed the authors that a that majority of US international agreements in recent decades are in fact what the signatories describe as “mere executive agreements” and not treaties ratified by the Senate, and that their letter undermines the credibility of thousands of such agreements that have been entered by the U.S. with various governments over the years.
The entire response is a great smack down, exposing the GOP for the idiots they are. Man, it's so embarrassing when the Republican clown car explodes on the world stage for all the world to see.
In the first place, no "small town mayor" is involved. These are U.S. Senators.
The President "shall have power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur..."
President Obama is not acting in the best interests of the United States in making this "deal," and has not sought the advice of the Senate (as required above). "We are getting in bed with a rattlesnake" — Pat Caddell. We are unleashing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. It's about time the Congress is stepping in to do something about it.
There are no violations of law or the Constitution in sending this letter (though perhaps it is against "protocol," but since when has Obama ever cared about protocol?).
This is not a treaty.
Congress advising foreign power in the middle of negotiations is unprecedented, going the extra mile to state that the agreement they are working on can be revoked by the next president is also unprecedented but nothing surprises me anymore.
One would assume that a sitting U.S. Senator would know this. But if one were talking about an idiot Republican U.S. Senator, one would, unfortunately, be wrong.
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One would assume that a sitting U.S. Senator would know this. But if one were talking about an idiot Republican U.S. Senator, one would, unfortunately, be wrong.
Perhaps the Iranian Foreign Minister should be invited to address the Senate. What the hell? US government has apparently deteriorated into little more than a low-level melodrama.
You, and the senators who signed this letter, don't know what you're talking about. In response to the letter, the Iranian Foreign Minister schooled the 47 idiots about both the American Constitution and international law. It seems he understands the U.S. Constitution better than they do.
“I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.”.
International law does not dictate the power of the President, he would first need the authority to enter into such agreement which he does not have. /end of story
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for 20 years now. Apparently the boy who's cried WOLF! 
