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Old 06-25-2015, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Or maybe the Dick who said we'd be greeted as Liberators in Iraq
Could be. Or Vajaja Jarrett who got her war in Libya.
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Old 07-19-2015, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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STP has announced that the boring will restart in late Nov, 2015.

New Bertha start date: Nov. 23 | The Seattle Times

The opening date is now set at March 2018. But if they manage to meet the Nov deadline and then resume drilling at the previous pace of 24 feet per month, it will take over 2.5 years just to drill the tunnel, and only then will the road construction begin. The road construction would have to be completed in negative numbers in order to meet the March 2018 goal.

I doubt that they can pull that off.
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Old 07-19-2015, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That is good news, it will be nice when this complex project is complete. I still don't know why this is in the political section and not the Seattle regional section....
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Old 07-19-2015, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Here's a barebones timeline of Seattle's ongoing 2 mile tunnel through downtown. The project has been compared to the Boston 'Big Dig' which was projected at $2.8 billion, and wound up costing $22 billion.

Feb 28, 2001: Earthquake! A large elevated roadway that hugs downtown Seattle had been damaged. Almost immediately a debate began on how to respond. Debate, studies, proposals and counter proposals proceeded over the next 6 years.

March 13, 2007: a "double-binary-advisory-ballot" was put before voters. Voters could choose between either a tunnel no tunnel), or a new viaduct (elevated) or no new viaduct. Voters threw up their hands and rejected all options. Building a new viaduct got the highest total of 43%. The tunnel got 30%

Jan 2008: Governor Christine Gregoire announced that the old viaduct would be torn down by 2012 due to the risk of disastrous collapse. As of now, it's still in service. Meanwhile Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels had been pushing for a tunnel, calling the viaduct the "Big Ugly."

Jan 2009: It was announced that the city, state, county, and Port of Seattle had come to agreement on a $4.25 billion tunnel.

Oct 2011: Construction begins.

July 2013: Boring of the tunnel by the $80 million Hitachi "Big Bertha" boring machine starts. Expected completion of the two mile tunnel: Fall 2014.

Aug 2013: Initial progress was slow--24 feet in the first month. A Seattle Times columnist joked that a banana slug was faster. I did the calculation, and it was literally true.

Dec 2013: A labor dispute complicated things, but by Dec 2013 the machine had completed a little over 1000 feet--about 11% of the distance, but then unfortunately stopped after hitting a metal pipe, where it remained until just recently.

March 2015: Workers completed a 120 foot shaft down to the machine. It was hauled to the surface via crane. The machine will undergo repairs, and they hope to resume drilling in August 2015. Officials have been reluctant to make forecasts beyond that.
Typical Big Government project. Who cares what it costs. It's other people's money.
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Old 07-19-2015, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Typical Big Government project. Who cares what it costs. It's other people's money.
Well roads are for everyone.
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Old 07-19-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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That is good news, it will be nice when this complex project is complete. I still don't know why this is in the political section and not the Seattle regional section....
I didn't start or place the thread. But I would have put it her as illustrative of municipal incompetence, particularly in a liberal, union-dominated city such as Seattle.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I didn't start or place the thread. But I would have put it her as illustrative of municipal incompetence, particularly in a liberal, union-dominated city such as Seattle.
Ah, so this is less about a road project and more about Seattle being a liberal city, that seems shallow. Personally I haven't cared about road projects in right wing states.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:00 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Ah, so this is less about a road project and more about Seattle being a liberal city, that seems shallow. Personally I haven't cared about road projects in right wing states.
I live near New York City. To add a single subway stop the project has been delayed 4 1/2 years. Boston's "Big Dig" ran far over cost and behind schedule.

I am politically liberal. However in "blue" cities there is too much emphasis on peripheral matters and not enough on getting the lanes opened and the job done.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I live near New York City. To add a single subway stop the project has been delayed 4 1/2 years. Boston's "Big Dig" ran far over cost and behind schedule.

I am politically liberal. However in "blue" cities there is too much emphasis on peripheral matters and not enough on getting the lanes opened and the job done.
Big construction projects are much harder to do in large old urban cities than they are in wide open empty plains.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:07 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Big construction projects are much harder to do in large old urban cities than they are in wide open empty plains.
True but there are many construction zones I don't see many people on the job.
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