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Old 03-13-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Here's a barebones timeline of Seattle's ongoing 2 mile tunnel through downtown. The project has been compared to the Boston 'Big Dig' which was projected at $2.8 billion, and wound up costing $22 billion.

Feb 28, 2001: Earthquake! A large elevated roadway that hugs downtown Seattle had been damaged. Almost immediately a debate began on how to respond. Debate, studies, proposals and counter proposals proceeded over the next 6 years.

March 13, 2007: a "double-binary-advisory-ballot" was put before voters. Voters could choose between either a tunnel no tunnel), or a new viaduct (elevated) or no new viaduct. Voters threw up their hands and rejected all options. Building a new viaduct got the highest total of 43%. The tunnel got 30%

Jan 2008: Governor Christine Gregoire announced that the old viaduct would be torn down by 2012 due to the risk of disastrous collapse. As of now, it's still in service. Meanwhile Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels had been pushing for a tunnel, calling the viaduct the "Big Ugly."

Jan 2009: It was announced that the city, state, county, and Port of Seattle had come to agreement on a $4.25 billion tunnel.

Oct 2011: Construction begins.

July 2013: Boring of the tunnel by the $80 million Hitachi "Big Bertha" boring machine starts. Expected completion of the two mile tunnel: Fall 2014.

Aug 2013: Initial progress was slow--24 feet in the first month. A Seattle Times columnist joked that a banana slug was faster. I did the calculation, and it was literally true.

Dec 2013: A labor dispute complicated things, but by Dec 2013 the machine had completed a little over 1000 feet--about 11% of the distance, but then unfortunately stopped after hitting a metal pipe, where it remained until just recently.

March 2015: Workers completed a 120 foot shaft down to the machine. It was hauled to the surface via crane. The machine will undergo repairs, and they hope to resume drilling in August 2015. Officials have been reluctant to make forecasts beyond that.
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Old 03-13-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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What does Boston and Seattle have in common? Both are dem run cities in dem controlled states.
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Old 03-13-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Who's the contractor?
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Old 03-13-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Who's the contractor?
I'm just guessing here...but maybe the same one that did the Obamacare website?

That's the large problem with government contracts. They don't go to the most capable and competent, they go to the largest campaign contributor or whoever has political friends. And the taxpayers pay for the incompetence.
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Old 03-13-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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What Boston and Seattle have in common is they are next to a lot of water and are very difficult places to dig tunnels. Some of the ground in Boson was so soft the contractor froze it solid so the tunnel could be drilled under the railroad. Most of the work was cut and cover where the tunnel is built in a trench and later buried.

I have to wonder why the machine hit a unknown pipe. Something like that should have been discovered in the advanced planning stage of the project. Hopefully finding it recorded in the City construction permit archives. If the digging was in ground stable enough for a big tunnel machine the contractor could have drilled a smaller, say 8ft diameter, pilot tunnel to find things like the pipe or running ground or anything else that could stop the main part of the works. Yes, doing this level of investigation is expensive but so is losing two years of project time.
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Old 03-13-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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What Boston and Seattle have in common is they are next to a lot of water and are very difficult places to dig tunnels. Some of the ground in Boson was so soft the contractor froze it solid so the tunnel could be drilled under the railroad. Most of the work was cut and cover where the tunnel is built in a trench and later buried.
And the "discovery" of this proximity to water is so recent, nobody had a way to plan for it in advance.
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Old 03-13-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Who's the contractor?
Seattle Tunnel Partners is what the consortium is called. The main companies are Tutor Perini (California) and Dragados (Spain).

Tunnel partner known to fight tough with public agencies | The Seattle Times
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Old 03-13-2015, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I bet a couple hundred illegals from Yakima armed with picks and shovels could have dug the hole for a few million bucks.
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Old 03-13-2015, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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What does Boston and Seattle have in common? Both are dem run cities in dem controlled states.
The boring machine is a democrat!

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Old 03-13-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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What does Boston and Seattle have in common? Both are dem run cities in dem controlled states.

The liberal solution here would have been a no-build or boulevard option... and then you'd be screeching "Agenda 21."
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