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Old 03-20-2015, 06:25 PM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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I wonder how many of the 3,097,188 abused, neglected or sexually abused children in 2013 who received intervention from Child Protective Services were being raised by heterosexual parents?

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/r...treatment-2013

And those are just the cases that were reported.
So only heterosexuals abuse their children? Why don't you look at the demographics of those statistics. Most of those abused children probably came from poor and impoverished households where the adults had additional issues of alcoholism or drug use. And also in those households, there is little planned parenthood, but pregnancies that just occur from having sex without using any birth control methods. Plus some births are also occurring with teen parents who aren't mature enough to handle parenthood.

And if the numbers are better for children who were adopted by gay couples, then consider that all prospective adopters are vetted very closely by authorities, but there is no vetting for adults that reproduce naturally.

And to that, most likely you will find that abuse of adopted children by heterosexual couples is also very low for the same reasons.

 
Old 03-20-2015, 06:27 PM
 
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No what she felt was caused by her father and mother getting divorced and her father not having anything to do with her.

Her issue is with divorce not same sex marriage. Her mother was not even married to her partner. So how would same sex marriage even apply to the situation?
She just said how she felt. This forum turned it into a debate.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 06:56 PM
 
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I agree with her. Parents are best with both a Father and Mother.
Incredibly, this has to be defended.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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Thanks for another great example of how the Family Research Council lies and misrepresents studies in it's anti-gay propaganda. The studies looked at children raised in intact low-conflict two parent families compared to children raised by only one parent. Financial stability of having two parents as opposed to one can also play a big role.


A review of most of the research on gay and lesbian parenting:

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf


And from the major health organizations:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP represents over 8,500 child and adolescent psychiatrists.)

"Current research shows that children with gay and lesbian parents do not differ from children with heterosexual parents in their emotional development or in their relationships with peers and adults. It is important for parents to understand that it is the quality of the parent/child relationship and not the parent’s sexual orientation that has an effect on a child’s development. Research has shown that in contrast to common beliefs, children of lesbian, gay, or transgender parents:
  • Are not more likely to be gay than children with heterosexual parents.
  • Are not more likely to be sexually abused.
  • Do not show differences in whether they think of themselves as male or female (gender identity).
  • Do not show differences in their male and female behaviors (gender role behavior)."
American Academy of Pediatrics: (represents over 60,000 Pediatricians)
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."


American Psychological Association - Amicus Briefs on Gay and Lesbian Parenting. (The APA represents over 137,000 Psychologists)
"Overall, the belief that children of lesbian and gayparents suffer deficits in personal development has no empirical foundation.
.....

The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003)."
It is no surprise that there are professional organisations such as the APA and the AMA that support gay parenting.

Frequently, people who say gay parenting is equal to straight parenting point to support from organizations like the American Psychological Association (APA) and the American Medical Association (AMA). But these organizations, like many national professional organizations, lean sharply leftward. The APA, for example, has issued studies and statements favoring abortion and mandatory handgun licensing, and opposing welfare reform. The AMA has supported global-warming activism, Obamacare, and higher alcohol taxes. It should be no surprise that these organizations also parrot liberal orthodoxy on LGBT issues.

All the gay parenting studies are flawed | The Daily Caller - Part 2

In addition a biological family are more likely to be employed full time compared to those born to a Lesbian mother and more likely to end up in foster care plus a very small percentage of children of mothers in same sex relationships reported living with the mother and same partner for 18 years.

About half of children of an intact biological family said they were employed full-time, compared with 26 percent of those born to a lesbian mother. Fourteen percent of kids of a lesbian mom spent time in foster care at some point, compared with 2 percent of the rest of the children studied. Overall, less than 2 percent of all respondents who said their mother had a same-sex relationship reported living with their mom and her partner for all 18 years of their childhood.Kids of gay parents fare worse, study finds, but research draws fire from experts - CBS News
 
Old 03-20-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I would agree with that but than why get married? They already have all the rights as anyone else who can make out a will.
So why should straight people get married, if they do not plan on having children. You fail in that none of those 1049 marriage rights that come with a civil marriage have anything to do with children, marriage is not even needed to procreate, nor is procreation required of marriage. A will does not cover tax protections, benefits or rights, barely any of those 1049 marriage rights can be got through legal finagling. Banning divorce makes more sense then banning gays from getting married. With a divorce rate over 50% for first marriages and over 70% for second marriages does not bide well for children. Divorce does more damage to the family structure then anything else.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 08:05 PM
 
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So only heterosexuals abuse their children? Why don't you look at the demographics of those statistics. Most of those abused children probably came from poor and impoverished households where the adults had additional issues of alcoholism or drug use. And also in those households, there is little planned parenthood, but pregnancies that just occur from having sex without using any birth control methods. Plus some births are also occurring with teen parents who aren't mature enough to handle parenthood.

And if the numbers are better for children who were adopted by gay couples, then consider that all prospective adopters are vetted very closely by authorities, but there is no vetting for adults that reproduce naturally.

And to that, most likely you will find that abuse of adopted children by heterosexual couples is also very low for the same reasons.
You totally missed the point. Being heterosexual doesn't guarantee that a person is a good parent. Neither does being homosexual.

And if you think child abuse only happens in 'poor and impoverished families', think again.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 08:12 PM
 
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It is no surprise that there are professional organisations such as the APA and the AMA that support gay parenting.

Frequently, people who say gay parenting is equal to straight parenting point to support from organizations like the American Psychological Association (APA) and the American Medical Association (AMA). But these organizations, like many national professional organizations, lean sharply leftward. The APA, for example, has issued studies and statements favoring abortion and mandatory handgun licensing, and opposing welfare reform. The AMA has supported global-warming activism, Obamacare, and higher alcohol taxes. It should be no surprise that these organizations also parrot liberal orthodoxy on LGBT issues.

All the gay parenting studies are flawed | The Daily Caller - Part 2

In addition a biological family are more likely to be employed full time compared to those born to a Lesbian mother and more likely to end up in foster care plus a very small percentage of children of mothers in same sex relationships reported living with the mother and same partner for 18 years.

About half of children of an intact biological family said they were employed full-time, compared with 26 percent of those born to a lesbian mother. Fourteen percent of kids of a lesbian mom spent time in foster care at some point, compared with 2 percent of the rest of the children studied. Overall, less than 2 percent of all respondents who said their mother had a same-sex relationship reported living with their mom and her partner for all 18 years of their childhood.Kids of gay parents fare worse, study finds, but research draws fire from experts - CBS News
The Daily Caller tabloid press and a story about the discredited 'study' by Mark Regnerus funded by a conservative religious group, (which didn't even include children raised by gay and lesbian couples) - versus every single mainstream medical organisation?

Gosh who should we believe? So hard to choose.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 08:17 PM
 
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She just sounded very confused and illogical. Her father basically abandoned her. So she would have been better off with a single mother than with her mother and her stepmother who raised her as her own? In my opinion, she's hung up on her father's rejection and displacing the blame onto her mothers.

And here's the thing: How many children of gay couples have denounced their parents' relationships publicly? Not a heck of a lot - this is the first one I remember, well, ever. And if THIS is there poster child, well, that's a pretty poor example.
 
Old 03-20-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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“Growing up, and even into my 20s, I supported and advocated for gay marriage. It’s only with some time and distance from my childhood that I’m able to reflect on my experiences and recognise the long-term consequences that same-sex parenting had on me,” she said. “It’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.”

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

I agree with her. Parents are best with both a Father and Mother.
there is beauty in wisdom in all kinds of happy healthy families, including ones with two moms or two dads. Just because there is beauty and wisdom in a Mom/Dad/Child situation doesnt mean it's the only way...
 
Old 03-20-2015, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Some do say if a boy has abusive father/fathers they are always seeking the good father and find it by being gay, not saying that would be all cases but some gays say they missed having a good father figure when they were growing up.
I'm gay and my father was amazingly good growing up. Nice try.
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