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Old 03-25-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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Every single person that I personally know of who is on public assistance votes Democratic and posts democratic rhetoric all over Facebook. Every single one.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:26 AM
 
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No they wouldn't do it because philosophically, they disagree with the concept of not helping those less fortunate.
But not, apparently, with trying to use their so-called "desire to help those less fortunate" for their own political gain.

See, it's posts like yours and other liberals in this thread that undermine faith in your compassion and open mindedness. Generally people who want to help the less fortunate, don't then turn around and start making public denouncements of the people getting the help. It really makes your motivations suspect.

It begins to sound a lot like a "I gave you money, so why won't you vote for me like you should!" type of juvenile complaint.

Giving the disadvantaged food to eat out of the goodness of your heart but then complaining that they didn't vote the way you wanted them to vote? Really? That is essentially what the left wing folks on this thread and the many other threads exactly like it that have been popping up over the years are doing. You claim your moral superiority in wanting to help others, but then get incensed when those others don't do what you want them to do.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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per the link

the number of federal employees per capita, both military and civilian.

Red leaning states have lower capita, so of course the ratio would be higher..

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Old 03-25-2015, 06:31 AM
 
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No they wouldn't do it because philosophically, they disagree with the concept of not helping those less fortunate.
No they dont.. good strawman posting though.

The statistic YOU cited, isnt about dependency, its about federal spending as a ratio to capital..

your own link disputes the theory you are trying to peddle
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:32 AM
 
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Federal expenditures by state need to be broken down by category (i.e. military, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.). I'm interested in seeing the breakdown.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:34 AM
 
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Every single person that I personally know of who is on public assistance votes Democratic and posts democratic rhetoric all over Facebook. Every single one.
of course they do. The OP is trying to peddle now that all federal spending = welfare, which if true, would validate the tea partiers message.

He doesnt even understand.. He's a liberal
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:50 AM
 
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I cannot believe any of it matters.

The Federal Government is so big, so intertwined in nearly every aspect of our lives that you cannot avoid it anymore. Huge, blundering bureaucracies composed of multiple, blundering bureacracies. All staffed with drones who are nearly impossible to fire.
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Old 03-25-2015, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Federal expenditures by state need to be broken down by category (i.e. military, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.). I'm interested in seeing the breakdown.

Many of those "red states" are home to military bases that of course are funded 100% by the federal govenrment. They also have millions of acres stolen by the fed for national parks and such and so the states cannot devloped it to generate revenue.
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Old 03-25-2015, 07:07 AM
 
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Many of those "red states" are home to military bases that of course are funded 100% by the federal govenrment. They also have millions of acres stolen by the fed for national parks and such and so the states cannot devloped it to generate revenue.
The totals usually include,

Federal government buying oil off Alaska, and since Alaska has such a small population, it shows their statistics as "dependent", even though its a purchase, not welfare..

Or Texas, and federal spending on border security.
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Old 03-25-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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This has been debunked countless times, but every so often some Liberal poster or kooky left-wing site grabs this thing and runs with it again, as if they've found some smoking gun. This concept throws out every single piece of data that explains why the government spends more per capita in red states than blue states, because it completely invalidates the point they're trying to make.

Its an attack on Republicans with zero substance behind it. Its a lie. And Liberals happily eat it up because it confirms their biases. I'll summarize a few things that account for this phenomenon that left-wingers completely ignore:

- First of all, Federal spending in a state IS NOT WELFARE. It might be going to Federally owned land, Interstate highways, research facilities, military bases, etc. These are things we all benefit from and they're usually in red states because land is way cheaper and more readily available. Red states are less populated than blue states, so a project like a mile of Federal highway in New Jersey has 10x more contributing taxpayers than that same mile of highway being built in South Dakota.

- Exit polling shows that the less money you earn, the more likely you are to vote Democrat, thus contribute less tax dollars if you're even a net tax payer.

- Conversely, the more money you earn, the more likely you are to vote Republican. You're less likely to receive welfare and are paying more of your income to taxes, regardless if you live in a red state or blue state.

- Examining actual welfare use, Democrats are more likely than Republicans to use welfare, food stamps, unemployment, Medicaid and housing assistance.

- Most states have a smaller than 20% difference between the number of red voters and blue voters. A "solidly red" state might have 800,000 Democrats and 1,200,000 Republicans. There's no such thing as truly red or blue states.

- Most of the 'taker' states are in the South, which up until the past 2-3 decades was solidly in Democrat control. The region is slowly improving since Republicans have started to finally make gains in those areas, but its going to take decades for things to get better. Red states outside of the South that have been Republican far longer are doing far better, and are often at the top of many rankings.

- The majority of taxes are paid by the top 1%. Where do the richest people in America live? In blue states. Of the top 10 states for millionaires per capita, Texas is the only red state. These rich people, even though they live in blue states, are much more likely to be Republicans than Democrats, thus its ironically Republicans living in blue states that pay the bulk of the taxes Liberals brag their states are paying.

But these reasons for the red/blue state divide are always ignored by those trying to push this completely false concept to 'prove Republicans are hypocrites.' Trying to push this idea not only shows your ignorance, but also invalidates whatever source the article came from. Not surprising that HuffPo is still trying to prove this, which shows how gullible their readers are.
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