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Old 03-27-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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The plan was NEVER to add 20 million to medicaid.. how the hell can you add 20 million to the medicaid rolls and then create the surpluses we were promised and reduce costs?

Sorry, that talking point, falls flat on its face.

Try another excuse.
Yes, the plan was always to expand Medicaid and cover those low income people, but the SC gave the redneck states a way out, and they took it, leaving millions of people in a coverage hole. But covering those people was built into the ACA right from the start, so you fail.

You asked why there were 30 million still uninsured and I provided an answer. No "talking point," just the information you requested.

What's the matter pgh, did I just debunk your favorite talking point?
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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We can and will take away your subsidies. Let's see you afford your "obamanocare" once you have to pay the full freight. .
You mock people who don't have access to employer-based insurance (estimated to be 40% of working Americans by 2020) because they can't afford the full freight even though if you didn't have access to employer based insurance you couldn't pay the full freight either.

With a statement like that, you show us all exactly the kind of person you are. You must be so proud.
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:35 AM
 
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Yes, the plan was always to expand Medicaid and cover those low income people, but the SC gave the redneck states a way out, and they took it, leaving millions of people in a coverage hole. But covering those people was built into the ACA right from the start, so you fail.

You asked why there were 30 million still uninsured and I provided an answer. No "talking point," just the information you requested.

What's the matter pgh, did I just debunk your favorite talking point?
no the plan was NEVER to cover 30 million people by medicaid.

The plan was to have more people PAYING, thus spread the risk around which we were promised would reduce the cost..

if the plan was to increase medicaid to insure them, there wouldnt have been a need to even pass ACA, they could have just increased the medicaid standards.

STOP LYING
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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You mock people who don't have access to employer-based insurance (estimated to be 40% of working Americans by 2020)
Due to Democratic policies like ACA which you guys ran around denying would happen for YEARS..

Now you APPLAUD it as a success and pretend it has nothing to do with federal policies

yes people, it is as dumb as it sounds
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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no the plan was NEVER to cover 30 million people by medicaid.

The plan was to have more people PAYING, thus spread the risk around which we were promised would reduce the cost..

if the plan was to increase medicaid to insure them, there wouldnt have been a need to even pass ACA, they could have just increased the medicaid standards.

STOP LYING
Yes, dear, expansion of Medicaid was always part of the plan. It was built into the ACA, which is why when all those red states refused to expand it so many who were supposed to have coverage were left uncovered.

Facts are annoying things when they don't support your lies, aren't they?
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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Due to Democratic policies like ACA which you guys ran around denying would happen for YEARS..

Now you APPLAUD it as a success and pretend it has nothing to do with federal policies

yes people, it is as dumb as it sounds
I don't applaud the fact that nearly half of American workers will be self-employed. Having been so myself for the last 15 years I don't revel in more workers getting even less benefits than they currently do now.

But for you to blame Democrats for that is hilarious. Blame corporate America, who sees a way to save a whole lot of money by firing their workforce and then rehiring them as independent contractors with no benefits.

If you lack the brain cells to comprehend that very basic point, then there is really no point in trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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Yes, dear, expansion of Medicaid was always part of the plan. It was built into the ACA, which is why when all those red states refused to expand it so many who were supposed to have coverage were left uncovered.

Facts are annoying things when they don't support your lies, aren't they?
I didnt deny expansion of medicaid wasnt part of the plan, I said the plan wasnt to expand it by THIRTY MILLION..

Try actually responding to the comment rather than reading what you want to read.
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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I don't applaud the fact that nearly half of American workers will be self-employed. Having been so myself for the last 15 years I don't revel in more workers getting even less benefits than they currently do now.

But for you to blame Democrats for that is hilarious. Blame corporate America, who sees a way to save a whole lot of money by firing their workforce and then rehiring them as independent contractors with no benefits.

If you lack the brain cells to comprehend that very basic point, then there is really no point in trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
Corporate america responds to political policies, something you dont seem to be capable of understanding.

They offered benefits in order to entice the best employees, now they have an incentive not to..

Political policies and the costs associated with them is an undeniable fact you dont seem to want to address.

Why not? Oh thats right because you got yours, Fk the 30 million without.. they no longer matter..
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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Yes, dear, expansion of Medicaid was always part of the plan. It was built into the ACA, which is why when all those red states refused to expand it so many who were supposed to have coverage were left uncovered.

Facts are annoying things when they don't support your lies, aren't they?

It was only ruled constitutional because it was deemed a tax. The governement can't pass a law and then tell the states to pay for implementation.
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Old 03-27-2015, 08:58 AM
 
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It was only ruled constitutional because it was deemed a tax. The governement can't pass a law and then tell the states to pay for implementation.
Exactly, liberals on these boards spent YEARS telling us it wasnt a tax.. and those of us who claimed it was, were dumb and didnt know what we were talking about.

SURPRISE...
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